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re: Houston to Dallas Bullet Train. It's happening!

Posted on 8/18/17 at 10:41 am to
Posted by 50_Tiger
Arlington TX
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Posted on 8/18/17 at 10:41 am to
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i mean, self-driving cars already exist so thats not true

i could go buy one right now in certain citie


Show me. You're going to post a Tesla vehicle, and im going to show you how easy it is to hack into that vehicle right now.

edit: Not talking out my arse. I work in Telecom lol.
This post was edited on 8/18/17 at 10:43 am
Posted by rocket31
Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 8/18/17 at 10:42 am to
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You're going to post a Tesla vehicle, and im going to show you how easy it is to hack into that vehicle right now.


ok, regardless of the hacking, the car exists--- today.
Posted by 50_Tiger
Arlington TX
Member since Jan 2016
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Posted on 8/18/17 at 10:43 am to
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ok, regardless of the hacking, the car exists--- today.


Just because something exists doesn't make it available for the public to use

Edit: I should clarify. Yes you can buy a car capable of a technology. That technology is still very much in its infancy. You don't have a support structure yet to expand.

You wont for awhile.
This post was edited on 8/18/17 at 10:46 am
Posted by AUCE05
Member since Dec 2009
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Posted on 8/18/17 at 10:43 am to
Excellent post. That 1.2 Trillion we borrowed for the war on terror (close to 5 trillion when we included interest) could have went a long way on improving infrastructure, education, and healthcare.
Posted by rocket31
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Posted on 8/18/17 at 10:44 am to
its publicly available, people have them. several youtube videos out of regular joes driving "teslas with both eyes closed"
This post was edited on 8/18/17 at 10:45 am
Posted by tigerinthebueche
Member since Oct 2010
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Posted on 8/18/17 at 10:44 am to
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think people will ride it a lot at first as a novelty. Then they'll get over it and in 10 years TCR will be struggling mightily.


and then they'll start reducing fares and the trashy people will take over. Just like airline travel. Add me to the list of skeptics.
I also think that people will decide they like their autos better than a train or plane and keep driving to their destinations. Not all people, but enough to make the train struggle financially. For all the convenience of high speed travel, the freedom of being able to get in one's car and come and go as one pleases with/without others (of your choice) still outweighs the benefits of alternative travel. JMO.
Posted by Tigeralum2008
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Posted on 8/18/17 at 10:45 am to
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i just dont think these high-speed railways have much of a future especially when we have already invested so much into our current highway infrastructure


That same argument could have been used (and probably was) at the turn of the previous century arguing against highways because we had a rail system.

We must continue to invest in our infrastructure. My only argument against is that bullet train tech is the BetaMax to Hyperloop's VHS
This post was edited on 8/18/17 at 10:47 am
Posted by Tigeralum2008
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Posted on 8/18/17 at 10:46 am to
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Show me. You're going to post a Tesla vehicle, and im going to show you how easy it is to hack into that vehicle right now.

edit: Not talking out my arse. I work in Telecom lol.


You can GPS spoof airliners today yet they still have autopilot...why not cars?
Posted by MSMHater
Houston
Member since Oct 2008
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Posted on 8/18/17 at 10:46 am to
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as opposed to self-driving cars which will be the norm in ~5 years time


I don't think that's feasible. There is no way autonomous cars would hit a price point in the next 5 years that make them "the norm". Tesla and BMW are the main consumer players, but it seems to be corporations with the heaviest investment towards autonomous vehicles Uber, Google, Intel, Trucking manufacturers, etc...

I think you're ultimately right, but just not that soon.
Posted by 50_Tiger
Arlington TX
Member since Jan 2016
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Posted on 8/18/17 at 10:46 am to
1) refer to my edit

2) Have you also seen the same videos of folks and their crashed Teslas?
Posted by rocket31
Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 8/18/17 at 10:47 am to
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That same argument could have been used (and probably was) at the turn of the century arguing against highways because we had a rail system.


indeed, if anything we goofed big time by tearing up the rail system in favor of the highway one.

at the time, we should have just invested more into the rail.
Posted by 50_Tiger
Arlington TX
Member since Jan 2016
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Posted on 8/18/17 at 10:50 am to
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You can GPS spoof airliners today yet they still have autopilot...why not cars?


Because these vehicles won't simply just fly by GPS.

The tech is in the category IoT and think of your car like a cell phone. It's always taking measurements and reporting these measurements to the tower.

There will always be a user / control plane. Even today you can sniff S1-U if you are a bad guy or the government.

Same thing with vehicles.

I am not 100% familiar with how airplanes report outside of GPS. I am pretty sure they do NOT report to towers. They fly too high and I have to remember how far our largest BTS Antenna propogates. Right now 60W per pipe is the max on a Nokia product.
Posted by rocket31
Member since Jan 2008
41887 posts
Posted on 8/18/17 at 10:50 am to
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There is no way autonomous cars would hit a price point in the next 5 years that make them "the norm". Tesla and BMW are the main consumer players, but it seems to be corporations with the heaviest investment towards autonomous vehicles Uber, Google, Intel, Trucking manufacturers, etc...

I think you're ultimately right, but just not that soon



true, the model X is about $80-100k currently.

i guess we will see, i do think a high speed train would be sweet, dont get me wrong. im just skeptical. it will be interesting to see how it all plays out
Posted by lnomm34
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Posted on 8/18/17 at 10:52 am to
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This post was edited on 3/24/25 at 8:49 am
Posted by blueboy
Member since Apr 2006
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Posted on 8/18/17 at 10:57 am to
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And when they have a viable route up and running with a capacity of riders that rival trains or buses, they'll move beyond being just a theoretical alternative to cars or high speed rail, which itself struggles to compete with air travel in this country.

They've already gotten permission to tunnel through a mountain range in order to make way for their tube/track. Musk's company is called The Boring Company (yuk yuk).

I'm not enamored with Musk like some people are, but I don't know why people would root against things like this. It's not theoretical. It's being developed, and will be beneficial when implemented.
Posted by Tigeralum2008
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Posted on 8/18/17 at 11:01 am to
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I am not 100% familiar with how airplanes report outside of GPS. I am pretty sure they do NOT report to towers. They fly too high and I have to remember how far our largest BTS Antenna propogates. Right now 60W per pipe is the max on a Nokia product.


We could page 777Tiger for the definitive answer to how aircraft report back but as far as i know, they have transponders reporting out to ATC towers all over the world. For transoceanic flights there is a constellation of communication satellites.

I was a radioman on a submarine, we used a similiar network of milsats to report our position and receive communications while at sea.

The MH370 (missing airliner) had jet engines reporting diagnostics back to the manufacturer which was one of the ways they were able to geolocate a search area

Posted by 50_Tiger
Arlington TX
Member since Jan 2016
42988 posts
Posted on 8/18/17 at 11:06 am to
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We could page 777Tiger for the definitive answer to how aircraft report back but as far as i know, they have transponders reporting out to ATC towers all over the world. For transoceanic flights there is a constellation of communication satellites.

I was a radioman on a submarine, we used a similiar network of milsats to report our position and receive communications while at sea.

The MH370 (missing airliner) had jet engines reporting diagnostics back to the manufacturer which was one of the ways they were able to geolocate a search area


I am curious about this as well.

The current strategy for IoT is small cell mapping between macro sites.

I'm working on some pretty cool shite that will transmit specific frequencies on different colors. Yes thats right. Colors.
Posted by 50_Tiger
Arlington TX
Member since Jan 2016
42988 posts
Posted on 8/18/17 at 11:07 am to
Tiger quick question since you were on a sub.

Were your comm channels limited to 3-3.9 GHz?

Posted by baldona
Florida
Member since Feb 2016
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Posted on 8/18/17 at 11:17 am to
So many people in this thread that have clearly never train traveled in Europe especially for business.

I agree its a great idea for liberals and romantics, but realistically train travel in the USA rarely makes sense.

Everyone that discusses the 4 hour of wasted time driving, is only considering single passenger trips. Take a family or business trip with multiple people, and you only have one driver in 3-4+ people.

Cost: Let's say $100 round trip for tickets, not to mention parking and getting to the station. How many families are going to do this for $500 when they could drive for $100?

How many people need to go station to station? Burb to burb taking a car will probably be a sub 1 hour time difference.

Don't forget waiting on trains and only select times. How many trips a day is realistic? Let's say 8? That's every 2 hours. So now if you have to wait an hour for a train when you could be driving, your break even period is nothing.

Even in Europe, train travel rarely makes sense if you own a vehicle and have more than 1 person making the trip.

America is way too spread out for trains. European towns and especially cities are WAAAAY more condensed. Which makes train and mass transit make much more sense. Again, I'd love to see more trains I just think its a pipe dream right now.
This post was edited on 8/18/17 at 11:20 am
Posted by 50_Tiger
Arlington TX
Member since Jan 2016
42988 posts
Posted on 8/18/17 at 11:24 am to
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Everyone that discusses the 4 hour of wasted time driving, is only considering single passenger trips. Take a family or business trip with multiple people, and you only have one driver in 3-4+ people.


1) It's an 8 hour round trip. If you are lucky.

2) I typically travel for business alone. I know that may vary by company.

3) Pretty hard to get substantial work done in a standard vehicle.

4) People with families will see the financial incentive to drive and therefore, are not prime candidates to use the rail.

5) People wait on airlines all the time, what makes waiting for a train any different?
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