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re: Houston Drug dealing attemped cop killers didn’t do anything update:murder charged to cop
Posted on 1/30/19 at 8:37 pm to DeathValley1924
Posted on 1/30/19 at 8:37 pm to DeathValley1924
I thought I read somewhere that one of the shots hit multiple officers?
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Posted on 1/30/19 at 8:51 pm to DeathValley1924
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1. No prior records. 2. Lived in the house for 20 years and no prior incidents. 3. How do 4 officers get shot...some multiple times with one guy and a 6 round 357 Magnum? Do you think he has time to reload? 4.And do you really believe a 57 year old woman would reach and go for an officer's shotgun when other officers were coming in...nope..she would have frozen up and dropped to the ground to take cover. This isn't Bonnie & Clyde.
you make some interesting points here DV1924
Posted on 1/30/19 at 9:00 pm to Masterag
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Do undercover agents usually yell “police?”
Yes.
Just to clear some stuff up, I am in federal law enforcement and am often "under cover" even though I don't have a true uniform. Under cover only means that they were under cover during the crime - trying to get proof of that crime; NOT during the arrest.
During the arrest the cop must identify himself as such just like any other officer. There is no reason to remain "under cover" when making an arrest; the fact that you're arresting someone sort of gives it away.
Most likely they identified themselves as police BEFORE entering - usually a pre-required amount of times, for us its five in English and Spanish and often through a megaphone if there's not an immediate response. Even if it's a no-knock warrant we identify ourselves right away and have clearly identifiable clothing on - NOT street clothes (this goes for "under cover" ops as well). The officer(s) entering the house first will always have body armor on with "POLICE" across the chest if not a uniformed officer.
The fact is, there is almost ZERO chance these people could've misidentified who was coming into their house. I'm a US Marshal that has to do these types of arrests and entering of residences constantly alone and with a strike team, I've never seen one instance of someone being confused as to who I am/we are. We take numerous painstaking steps to prevent this exact scenario.
It is also not uncommon for a dealer to get a little skeptical after selling to an under cover officer numerous times and change up their methods. If officers bought from this residence enough times to bring in the strike team there is no doubt about the address and identity; they don't risk a massive screw-up like that. Dealers will often get weary and stop slinging altogether or do something like this story and just keep some personal weed at their home while moving their business elsewhere.
Just thought I should clear up a lot of the idiocy in this thread.
Posted on 1/30/19 at 9:04 pm to baldona
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The police announce well who they are as soon as they are through the door.
Except when they don't, there is no shortage of documented cases.
Posted on 1/30/19 at 9:05 pm to baldona
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Chief of police said at the press conf that night that cops announced themselves before entering as well as marked units on the street had their sirens going. Will be interesting what the investigation shows
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No Knock means they announce themselves AFTER the door is breached, and not BEFORE. That is all. No matter what, you KNOW who came through that door.
Posted on 1/30/19 at 9:16 pm to TH03
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TH03
Good one man, you got me. Oh wait you didn't.
Breach-to make an opening.
As in, they breach the door open with a sledge hammer and once the door is open yell police while entering.
Can you walk forward and yell at the same time?
Posted on 1/30/19 at 9:17 pm to tylercsbn9
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7815 Hardy: showing high tech cameras on a crap old house that looks like a classic trap house
I don't see the high tech cameras on street view? Where do you see that?
Posted on 1/30/19 at 9:21 pm to supadave3
On the video that I posted
Posted on 1/30/19 at 9:22 pm to TH03
Minutes after this story broke the OT had this raid as illegal Chimichanga. Even had a guy say the neighborhood he once drove through was only Garcia and Sanchez. 
Posted on 1/30/19 at 9:24 pm to baldona
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As in, they breach the door open with a sledge hammer and once the door is open yell police while entering.
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The police announce well who they are as soon as they are through the door.
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Can you walk forward and yell at the same time?
You're the one who decided to be a dick while arguing semantics btw. I made an innocent comment about what the police chief said and wasn't rude to you at all.
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Chief of police said at the press conf that night that cops announced themselves before entering as well as marked units on the street had their sirens going
I'm just a simple idiot. Is this common for a surprise no knock?
This post was edited on 1/30/19 at 9:26 pm
Posted on 1/30/19 at 9:37 pm to RazorBroncs
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RazorBroncs
Thanks for taking the time to provide some real information and expertise to this crap of a thread, so far. In your opinion, what went wrong in this raid to cause 5 officers to get hit? And does the warrant seem to match or meet the statements released so far from HPD to you?
Posted on 1/30/19 at 9:50 pm to TH03
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Chief of police said at the press conf that night that cops announced themselves before entering as well as marked units on the street had their sirens going
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I'm just a simple idiot. Is this common for a surprise no knock?
Glad I'm not the only one that thinks these two things don't seem to belong together.
Posted on 1/30/19 at 9:57 pm to EA6B
Part of the problem is that people have little faith in police to acknowledge when a mistake is made. It often takes direct video evidence for police to admit a mistake or to stop backing an officers story.
Posted on 2/12/19 at 12:46 am to Dire Wolf
Bump.
Any new information coming out on this story? How are the wounded cops doing?
Any new information coming out on this story? How are the wounded cops doing?
Posted on 2/12/19 at 5:04 am to White Roach
One of the LEOs on the warrant suspended. White substance apparently cocaine. No black tar found.
Houston News Story
1.5 ounces of coke. 18 ounces of pot. Two LEOs still in hospital. Two shotguns, rifle and handgun in home. No scales, cash, etc.
Houston Chronicle
Houston News Story
1.5 ounces of coke. 18 ounces of pot. Two LEOs still in hospital. Two shotguns, rifle and handgun in home. No scales, cash, etc.
Houston Chronicle
This post was edited on 2/12/19 at 5:13 am
Posted on 2/12/19 at 6:32 am to UpToPar
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As I said, police departments are weary of using these kits unless its a situation where identifying the drug is required to make an arrest. Here, that clearly isnt the case
The officers just killed two people. You can bet somebody was testing that shite at the scene. Especially after not finding a damn thing with cover your arse mode kicking in. If it comes out that they weren't dealing drugs all officers need to be charged with murder. Especially the cop that ordered the no knock.
Posted on 2/12/19 at 6:34 am to Pvt Hudson
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1.5 ounces of coke. 18 ounces of pot. Two LEOs still in hospital. Two shotguns, rifle and handgun in home. No scales, cash, etc.
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One of the LEOs on the warrant suspended
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No black tar found.
Yikes.
Posted on 2/12/19 at 6:34 am to Klark Kent
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So....for the "he was doing what any man would do in this situation" crowd. How many people would you have to shoot wearing military style gear before you realized it was a police raid and not some criminal home invasion
If he wasn't dealing drugs all of them.
Posted on 2/12/19 at 6:37 am to bencoleman
And you would likely get the same results....
Posted on 2/12/19 at 6:54 am to bencoleman
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You can bet somebody was testing that shite at the scene. Especially after not finding a damn thing with cover your arse mode kicking in
Are you really this ignorant? Your hatred of police is comical. As said, the reason to test it on site is to confirm an arrest. If the suspects were dead, there is no hurry. Why risk running a test with known questionable results over waiting on a lab with proven results?
These guys had cocaine and immediate access to loaded guns, and used them against police. The chances of them being completely innocent here are pretty slim.
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