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re: Honest Question about the "Opioid Epidemic"
Posted on 11/28/17 at 7:51 am to RoosterCogburn585
Posted on 11/28/17 at 7:51 am to RoosterCogburn585
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My thinking though is that people can get addicted to a whole host of things. Gambling, drinking, porn, etc..... In all those other cases, we don't cry out that it's the casinos fault or it's the beer or porn companies fault. So why is it different for this addiction? Why is it any person other than the junkies fault for this case?
Opioids are physically addicting, unlike those other things you mentioned.
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Posted on 11/28/17 at 7:54 am to OceanMan
quote:Yea, I don't know if the dude is just stupid or trolling.
Opioids are physically addicting, unlike those other things you mentioned.
Posted on 11/28/17 at 7:57 am to saint tiger225
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That partially bullshite. No one is exactly "wired for addiction". That's a bullshite excuse people like to use.
Perhaps it is better stated as some are prone to addiction, it is jusr a dopamine thing, be it drugs, speed, food, excersise, or whatever. Get used to that high and you will need an even bigger dose to avoid anhedonia, and the circle goes round and round.
It is not the drugs themselves per se, it is the positive feedback your own body gives you for taking them.
Posted on 11/28/17 at 8:09 am to RoosterCogburn585
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How much of the blame for this so called epedemic belongs on the doctors and the pain pill companies and how much blame belongs on a society who has created a "victim" mentality?
typical ot trash response
Posted on 11/28/17 at 8:12 am to RoosterCogburn585
I’d put around 75% on the doctors and pharmaceutical companies. They were prescribing opoiods to pain patients at levels the drug companies knew was addictive but continued to oversubscribe to increase their margins. They should get their arses taken for a ride in a massive class action lawsuit.
The majority of opoiod overdoses are by people who first got addicted to the stuff when they were prescribed it by a doctor for a legitimate injury, usually a car accident or workplace injury. They’re turning productive members of society into junkies and junkies into corpses all to increase their bottom line. Sickening.
The majority of opoiod overdoses are by people who first got addicted to the stuff when they were prescribed it by a doctor for a legitimate injury, usually a car accident or workplace injury. They’re turning productive members of society into junkies and junkies into corpses all to increase their bottom line. Sickening.
This post was edited on 11/28/17 at 8:15 am
Posted on 11/28/17 at 8:23 am to Napoleon
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Some can do coke
God dammit! Now I have to poo.
Posted on 11/28/17 at 8:28 am to kingbob
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I’d put around 75% on the doctors and pharmaceutical companies. They were prescribing opoiods to pain patients at levels the drug companies knew was addictive but continued to oversubscribe to increase their margins. They should get their arses taken for a ride in a massive class action lawsuit.
The pharmaceutical company that manufactures Oxy, Purdue, deliberately lied to doctors (and the government) for years about how addictive Oxy was. They engaged in a massive PR campaign claiming oxy wasn't addictive, allowing it to proliferate the way it did so that doctor's were prescribing it for all sorts of injuries like you said. Lawsuits aren't enough (they have been sued and are being sued). The people at Purdue have blood on their hands and should be in prison.
Posted on 11/28/17 at 8:31 am to RoosterCogburn585
Please edit your title to "opioid" and "epidemic." People already think anyone who lives in Louisiana is stupid.
This post was edited on 11/28/17 at 8:33 am
Posted on 11/28/17 at 8:33 am to REG861
Agreed. Fraud and thousands of counts of negligent homicide sound about right.
Posted on 11/28/17 at 8:34 am to olgoi khorkhoi
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Have you ever paid a highly educated expert to help you solve an urgent problem and the expert recommeded alcohol or tobacco?
Son I never needed a doctor to tell me that beer and cigars could solve a lot of problems....I figured that out on my own.
Posted on 11/28/17 at 8:36 am to chinhoyang
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People already think anyone who lives in Louisiana is stupid.
It is nice to see it confirmed every once in a while though.
Posted on 11/28/17 at 8:36 am to chinhoyang
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Please edit your title to "opioid" and "epidemic." People already think anyone who lives in Louisiana is stupid.
Yep we continue to help ourselves in this area....stupidity is a serious epidemic in this state...unfortunately "opiods" can't help that.
Posted on 11/28/17 at 8:38 am to REG861
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Purdue, deliberately lied to doctors (and the government) for years about how addictive Oxy was.
What were they saying??
I’ve seen my share of drug reps as a nurse. I really just looked at their tits and ate free food. Certainly never listened to one tell me Oxy wasn’t addictive. What were they saying they had done to an OPIATE to make it less addictive?
I recall them marketing something that started with an “S” briefly. Not suboxone. It was basically hydrocodone that they took away the euphoria somehow. Or that was the pitch. It must have been true because it never sold.
Posted on 11/28/17 at 8:45 am to LSU alum wannabe
They basically capitalized on the whole pain management trend by offering oxy as a non addictive treatment when they knew full well it was far more addictive than advertised.
here's a good article on a city that's suing purdue for the damage it inflicted on them:
https://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-oxycontin-lawsuit-20170118-story.html
Here's a criminal complaint ( I guess the state of New Hampshire also sued them) that details how they used bullshite science/research to lie about the addictiveness of their product. I just scanned through it but it looks like a very good read for anyone interested.
LINK
here's a good article on a city that's suing purdue for the damage it inflicted on them:
https://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-oxycontin-lawsuit-20170118-story.html
Here's a criminal complaint ( I guess the state of New Hampshire also sued them) that details how they used bullshite science/research to lie about the addictiveness of their product. I just scanned through it but it looks like a very good read for anyone interested.
LINK
This post was edited on 11/28/17 at 8:47 am
Posted on 11/28/17 at 8:48 am to Breesus
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I agree. Just like it's all those illiterate undereducated kids faults that they're stupid right?
Horrible comparison. Junkies continue to abuse knowing the outcome. Illiterate kids know no difference
Posted on 11/28/17 at 8:49 am to Rouge
If someone is in pain or post-op and they are prescribed opioid and pain goes away, how is that the fault of patient?
Posted on 11/28/17 at 8:50 am to chinhoyang
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Please edit your title to "opioid" and "epidemic." People already think anyone who lives in Louisiana is stupid.
Says the guy with the now-deleted thread with the record number of downvotes.
I can only hope people from outside La don't find a cached copy of your epic(al) thread.
A thread about ChinHoYang's record breaking thread.
Posted on 11/28/17 at 8:57 am to Tridentds
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Same for a kidney stone... 2-3 days max. A 2-3 week painkiller prescription for a kidney stone???
Then throw the rest away pussy. Nobody is forcing the pills down your throat. You know it will be a problem and you will get addicted so take corrective action. Pretty simple. Stop blaming other people
Posted on 11/28/17 at 9:20 am to CelticDog
The responsibility is probably somewhere in the middle. I've never taken them, and used to be in the 100% personal accountability. At some point, we're our own person, and we have to take control of our own lives and have to make decisions to either get help or continue down the abyss.
I've seen enough documentaries and know some family friends that have gone through the progression of prescriptions eventually through to shooting heroine. Based on what I knew of them prior to the pain pills, and after, it's very evident that there is a much higher propensity to become addicted in an uncontrollable way, and doctors often don't take that into account when prescribing. Once the gate is open, some are just unable to put get it back together.
I've seen enough documentaries and know some family friends that have gone through the progression of prescriptions eventually through to shooting heroine. Based on what I knew of them prior to the pain pills, and after, it's very evident that there is a much higher propensity to become addicted in an uncontrollable way, and doctors often don't take that into account when prescribing. Once the gate is open, some are just unable to put get it back together.
Posted on 11/28/17 at 9:22 am to RoosterCogburn585
Sackler family. Empire of pain
This is extremely long and don’t expect most to read it, but it is very eye opening on how one family basically created this crisis
This is extremely long and don’t expect most to read it, but it is very eye opening on how one family basically created this crisis
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