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re: Honest Question about the "Opioid Epidemic"

Posted on 11/28/17 at 7:22 am to
Posted by RoosterCogburn585
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Posted on 11/28/17 at 7:22 am to
I started the thread because yes, I do have an opinion, but would like to hear others insights into the topic as well. Is that not how things work around here?
This post was edited on 11/28/17 at 7:25 am
Posted by Breesus
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Posted on 11/28/17 at 7:25 am to
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Are people so stupid that they just do what the doc tells them


It's impossible to have a conversation with someone who says things like this
Posted by Sidicous
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Posted on 11/28/17 at 7:27 am to
The 3% or so of the population that consist of this "epidemic" bear the blame solely.

Alcohol is available on every street corner just about. How many alcohol addicts (shortened to alcoholics) have anyone to blame but themselves? No prescription needed, barely an age limit considering the loopholes of under adult supervision, private property,etc..Alcohol is even truly a poison, much easier to obtain, cheaper, just as addictive, and just as deadly. Who gets the blame with alcohol?

Let's not even get started on nicotine and who's to blame. Why treat opioids differently? Follow the money!

Posted by Rust Cohle
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Member since Mar 2014
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Posted on 11/28/17 at 7:28 am to
The answer to the opioid epidemic is Kratom. It should be used as a first line defense against pain, you can't double dose, and you can't overdose. Government agencies are scrambling to make it illegal because of its known effectivness and easy availability. Several drug manufacturers are developing a synthetic version to be distributed to the masses. All while the government is being persuaded with lots of money so you will be unable and illegal to consume this safer leaf, just so they can make billions to sell it.
This post was edited on 11/28/17 at 8:34 am
Posted by Steadyhands
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Posted on 11/28/17 at 7:28 am to
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Addiction is very real, but the effectiveness of opioid medications to treat pain is also very real.


Treating pain is not a good solution, therefore it's not really effective. Opioids treat symptoms like most drugs. It's hard to find a root cause doctor that actually does good work...but you have to look out for yourself and your family and know that if a doc just prescribes medicine, and doesn't actually provide any other means to solve the problems, then you need a new doctor.
Posted by el Gaucho
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Posted on 11/28/17 at 7:28 am to
Honestly this attitude is very hurtful to people with chronic diseases like fibromyalgia where the only treatment is pills. There are tons of other diseases out there where people take medicine every day but only chronic pain sufferers are demonized because they are required to take opioids to keep their pain levels down
Posted by RATeamWannabe
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Posted on 11/28/17 at 7:30 am to
Good question. My sister was an addict for the last 10+ years, and I blamed her every step of the way. Lot of tough love and little sympathy or the pain she caused our family over that time. DUIs piled up, jail, trips to rehab, even with two young sons now 6 and 4.

She passed in May, a month out of her longest rehab visit of about 8 months. Now I ask myself every day how it got that bad. Yea, it’s her fault, I’m not trying to point figures. But there has to be shared blame somewhere. I dunno.
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Posted by Breesus
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Posted on 11/28/17 at 7:32 am to
The world is not black and white no matter how much yall want it to be. There is plenty of blame on both sides.

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Alcohol is even truly a poison, much easier to obtain, cheaper, just as addictive, and just as deadly.


No. It's not. There is a whole lot of ignorance in this thread
Posted by Steadyhands
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Posted on 11/28/17 at 7:32 am to
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Are people so stupid that they just do what the doc tells them


It's impossible to have a conversation with someone who says things like this


The irony.....That's the point of a rhetorical question, a response is not needed.
Posted by CCTider
Member since Dec 2014
25108 posts
Posted on 11/28/17 at 7:32 am to
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Nailed it.

I remember back in the 90s when OxyContin was being developed. They marketed the drug to doctors as a miracle drug that could be used to treat pretty much anything with low dependency and minimal side effects. There were incentives to doctors who prescribed it and politicians were paid off to keep from passing laws regulating it. That all lasted until too many people started dying from this shite and now we have people who had their supply cut off because doctors are scared to prescribe it and those people are now looking for other means to stay high. That's how we get the heroin and fentanyl epidemic.


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Mostly because of the expansion of Medicaid. Poors getting free stuff from doctors who get paid by the TAXPAYERS!


I can't help but laugh when an intelligent and informed post is replied with something completely uniformed and moronic.
Posted by el Gaucho
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Posted on 11/28/17 at 7:36 am to
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Treating pain is not a good solution, therefore it's not really effective. Opioids treat symptoms like most drugs. It's hard to find a root cause

in chronic pain diseases like fibromyalgia the pain is the disease
Posted by saint tiger225
San Diego
Member since Jan 2011
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Posted on 11/28/17 at 7:37 am to
I was addicted to pain pills that got prescribed to me after a drunk driver hit me head on out by LSU on highland road. It's a long story that I may go into some day on here. But, here's a very short version.

When the feds started cracking down on all these pill factories, it also scared the legit doctors. So, basically, mine cut me off after 3 years of prescribing me pain pills. You know the problem with being cut off after that long on Percocets? Your body is physically addicted to it and you will go through severe withdrawal. Also, little did I know, I had become mentally addicted as well.

Anyways, for me to get up and go to work, I needed drugs and didn't give a frick how I got them, as long as I felt better.

This was years ago, when they still had oxycontin 80s and I knew how to get some, so that's what I did. Then, my addiction progressed from there and I started selling and snorting heroin. It became a horrible cycle.

Yes, it all started out when the doctor prescribed them to me after an accident, but I don't blame him. Hell, I enjoyed the shite for a while. The high was good for a while.

Then, there came the point when I crashed and I needed help. I sought help that many addicts don't seek bc they don't have the means to. Our society shames addicts, so we try to hide it instead of getting better.

I thank God I never shot up. Many of people I met in the game are dead now bc of that. Not that you can't OD from snorting, but shooting up is just more dangerous. I lost 2 childhood friends to that and countless others I met throughout the years.

It's a nasty problem that's created all kind of ways. Some people get started by doctors. Some people just like the high and don't think they'll become an addict and things go South for them.

Eta - sorry, that wasn't the full version, but definitely not the "very short version" I thought I'd tell
This post was edited on 11/28/17 at 7:40 am
Posted by ItNeverRains
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Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 11/28/17 at 7:37 am to
Some people are wired to be addicts, some are not. My closest thing to an addiction would be coffee. If coffee's benefits did not outweigh its negatives 20/1, I would give it up.

If you aren't wired for addiction, the signaling to logically take steps to end the addictions does not occur. You are not able to understand what the chemical imbalance does in the brain of an addict. That is a good thing.
Posted by LSU alum wannabe
Katy, TX
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 11/28/17 at 7:41 am to
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The big problem is both oxycodone and hydrocodone have become generic and big pharma no longer profits from its use.


This!!!!

More than a lot of other reasons, it is this. There is no money in it anymore. CVS was talking about filling only 2 weeks at a time of hydrocodone. A. Because they don’t give a shite over a 5-10 dollar scrip. B. It is now a liability to keep any supply of Vicodin or others onsite. Drug stores are being robbed left and right.

Government main mistake IMO was Vicodin to schedule 2 or triplicate status. THAT was the tipping point. It set this shite cascade in motion. Other steps put in place were needed. A. Hold docs accountable in horrendous cases of rubber stamp scrips. B. The state and of national database they have now. Prescribers can look up your DL# or SSN and know what controlled meds you have had. Inexcusable that this took this long and now inexcusable to not use the site if you’re a doc. C. You have to give a valid ID for controlled meds. No more sending your “niece” to pick up prescriptions all over town.

Making Vicodin triplicate though essentially made it a prohibition on the med. prohibition does not work. Now you have Chinese fentanyl and real gangsters filling a demand. What could go wrong?
Posted by Yewkindewit
Near Birmingham, Alabama
Member since Apr 2012
21626 posts
Posted on 11/28/17 at 7:43 am to
Well, I don’t know the answer to that however while in my MIL’s podiatrist’s office yesterday I noticed a couple of examples of tactics to get some additional painkillers.

A young guy about 30 came in and told the receptionist that the doc would give him more pain killers if he needed them. He asked for a prescription. She checked with the doc and he said he needed to see him first. Suddenly the need for the painkillers subsided and he briskly walked out.

Another 30+ guy told the receptionist that he lost his pills he got two days ago and needed to get another prescription for double the amount initially prescribed because he could tell his ankle was going to bother him for a while. She asked him to have a seat to see the doc and he also just up and left with no noticeable ankle issues.
Posted by cave canem
pullarius dominus
Member since Oct 2012
12186 posts
Posted on 11/28/17 at 7:44 am to
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Have you ever paid a highly educated expert to help you solve an urgent problem and the expert recommeded alcohol or tobacco?


No, but I have had a highly paid escort suggest those along with a little blow, not clear on her education level.
Posted by Steadyhands
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Member since May 2016
7125 posts
Posted on 11/28/17 at 7:44 am to
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in chronic pain diseases like fibromyalgia the pain is the disease


I agree, but most people on opioids do not have chronic pain. Most people on opioids truly didn't need any opioids at all. The fact that it's okay to prescribe them for even moderate, but temporary, pains is the fault of the pharmaceutical industry. It's the individuals fault for those that act as though their pain is so bad to where they constantly take some medication.
Posted by saint tiger225
San Diego
Member since Jan 2011
46416 posts
Posted on 11/28/17 at 7:45 am to
That partially bullshite. No one is exactly "wired for addiction". That's a bullshite excuse people like to use.

I had no history of addiction in my family. Same with the 2 close friends I lost. Same with other friends I lost. Sure, addiction can run in a family, but it's not because they're "wired to be addicts". That's why many people don't become addicts even if both their parents are.

The problem is the upbringing and behaviors. People who are brought up around addicts are exposed to the behavior more. They may be more likely to try drugs when they're younger.
Posted by TigrrrDad
Member since Oct 2016
7949 posts
Posted on 11/28/17 at 7:47 am to
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So yes, there is some over-prescribing going on by doctors. Just part of the problem


For sure. I broke a bone in my hand in a motocross crash and had surgery - 3 inch incision with a plate and 6 screws, then a month of physical therapy. The doc gave me 60 Vicodin with 2 refills, so 180 pills. I needed a total of 1 pill - I preemptively took one before the numbness was gone because I was expectng it to hurt pretty bad. It actually didn't hurt at all, which was surprising. Definitely a bit of overkill on the prescription writing.

ETA: Oxycontin is some bad shite. I never prescribed it (wouldn't prescribe Dilaudid either). Two of my former patients died from Oxy overdoses (they didn't get it from me) - don't know if they got it off the street or if someone else prescribed it. Both were very obvious addicts/Rx seekers.
This post was edited on 11/28/17 at 7:58 am
Posted by saint tiger225
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Posted on 11/28/17 at 7:47 am to
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This post was edited on 11/28/17 at 7:49 am
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