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re: History buffs: Interesting fact about Stalin

Posted on 6/11/19 at 7:36 pm to
Posted by Ponchy Tiger
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Posted on 6/11/19 at 7:36 pm to
It is debatable how smart either were. Stalin was a dictator and Hitler was a con man / opportunist. I wonder how the world would be different if both weren’t psycho lunatics.
Posted by OweO
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Posted on 6/11/19 at 7:40 pm to
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Hitler was 6’4
False


Hitler was 6'4. This is common knowledge.
Posted by DustyDinkleman
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Posted on 6/11/19 at 7:43 pm to
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In a glass case his body sits there in a suit. Weird feeling in there


That’s Lenin baw.

Posted by OMLandshark
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Posted on 6/11/19 at 7:45 pm to
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Stalin hit a real low point when the Germans invaded. Seems I remember even reading or watching that he even secluded himself for a time when things were bleakest.


Stalin’s stupid moments are very easily explainable: he was a hardcore alcoholic. The Soviets have tried to cover this up, but he was known for going on massive benders that could give Churchill a big run for his money. It was rumored he had a 10 day bender after Hitler invaded.

Hitler, he just took way too many stupid gambles and just got lucky as shite at every turn. Seriously, you try to overthrow your government and it only results in you spending 7 months in jail? I don’t blame Hitler after that for thinking he could get away with anything. Hitler invading France the entire world thought he was ludicrous, but it paid off. I can’t process why he held off on Dunkirk. Invading Yugoslavia was pointless and petty and meant he had to delay invading Russia for over a month.

Hitler’s stupidity didn’t start with his drug addictions. He also surrounded himself with evil geniuses like Himmler, Goebells, and Heydrich. If Heydrich has been leading the Third Reich, that would have been bad news. Someone as cunning, calm, resourceful, and pure evil as he was... he would have been worse and more effective than Hitler. Hitler wasn’t stupid, but he underestimated others abilities and overestimated his own at every turn. Stalin’s dumb turns I think can mostly be explained by drunkenness.
Posted by SEClint
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Posted on 6/11/19 at 7:45 pm to
One took a broken country and turned it into something that shook the world, that even after defeat had prosperity.

The other was a man who needed a bail out, broke his country to which still suffers to this day.

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I wonder how the world would be different if both weren’t psycho lunatics.


Wonder how it would be if not for the United States. Whole world owes those veterans a thank you.
Posted by Ponchy Tiger
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Posted on 6/11/19 at 7:46 pm to
No way Hitler was 6’4”
Posted by prplhze2000
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Posted on 6/11/19 at 7:46 pm to
Only man to beat the Illuminati at its own game
Posted by OMLandshark
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Posted on 6/11/19 at 7:50 pm to
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Cause he sided with the United states?

Survival instinct is not intellect.


Because Hitler made tons of dumb gambles that just somehow worked out. Stalin was more pragmatic than Hitler, which makes me think he was slightly more intelligent.
Posted by Strannix
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Posted on 6/11/19 at 7:51 pm to
That wasn’t that short for the time in Eastern Europe
Posted by Jor Jor The Dinosaur
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Posted on 6/11/19 at 7:53 pm to
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Hitler was 6'4. This is common knowledge.

And you're 4 ft tall
Posted by deltaland
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Posted on 6/11/19 at 7:54 pm to
The Nick Saban inferiority complex.
Posted by ChewyDante
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Posted on 6/11/19 at 7:57 pm to
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Because Hitler made tons of dumb gambles that just somehow worked out.


They didn't just "somehow" work out. They were calculated. You seem to think risk taking is a direct sign of intelligence. It isn't. Germany's geopolitical position necessitated a great deal of the strategy.

Both were of very capable intelligence. Their personalities and leadership styles, of course, were different. Their belief systems were different. Their political motivations were different.
Posted by Ponchy Tiger
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Posted on 6/11/19 at 7:57 pm to
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Wonder how it would be if not for the United States. Whole world owes those veterans a thank you.
. Absolutely, no doubt. I have just always wondered how things and history would have went if different scenarios had played out during World War II. It was such a pivotal point in time in the history of the world and the USA. What If Japan never attack’s Pearl Harbor? What if German had developed the bomb first? What if German never invades Russia or if they had waited until early spring? What if Japan had developed the bomb first. Most don’t know they had their own program and some believe they have been further along than Germany.
Posted by SEClint
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Posted on 6/11/19 at 8:00 pm to
Hitler played Poker while stalin played chess. Id take Hitler's pokerface over Stalins stand alone chess ability though. But, Adolf did surround himself with some thinkers. And at Nuremberg when even some of the lesser Nazi leaders' IQ results were published

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1Hjalmar Schacht 143
2Arthur Seyss-Inquart 141
3Hermann Goering 138
4Karl Doenitz 138
5Franz von Papen 134
6Eric Raeder 134
7Dr. Hans Frank 130
8Hans Fritsche 130
9Baldur von Schirach 130
10Joachim von Ribbentrop 129
11Wilhelm Keitel 129
12Albert Speer 128

This post was edited on 6/11/19 at 8:03 pm
Posted by LSURussian
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Posted on 6/11/19 at 8:00 pm to
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I have actually been to red square and it is crazy. On one side there is a big marble square building. His tomb.
Nope. Stalin’s remains were removed from Red Square in the early 1960’s.

And his real name wasn’t Stalin. It was Iosif Vissarionovich Dzhugashvili. He changed his name to Stalin because in the Russian language it means “man made of steel.”

And he wasn’t Russian. He was Georgian.
Posted by OMLandshark
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Posted on 6/11/19 at 8:03 pm to
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They didn't just "somehow" work out. They were calculated. You seem to think risk taking is a direct sign of intelligence. It isn't. Germany's geopolitical position necessitated a great deal of the strategy.


Most of his generals thought invading France was stupid, and going into Yugoslavia was outright idiotic and may have been the reason he didn’t beat the USSR.

And I’m not saying Hitler is stupid (he was certainly intelligent), but Stalin never made a decision as stupid that I’m aware of as invading Yugoslavia on the eve of Operation Barbarossa.
Posted by LCA131
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Posted on 6/11/19 at 8:03 pm to
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when even some of the lesser Nazi leaders' IQ results were published

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1Hjalmar Schacht 143
2Arthur Seyss-Inquart 141
3Hermann Goering 138
4Karl Doenitz 138
5Franz von Papen 134
6Eric Raeder 134
7Dr. Hans Frank 130
8Hans Fritsche 130
9Baldur von Schirach 130
10Joachim von Ribbentrop 129
11Wilhelm Keitel 129
12Albert Speer 128
13Alfred Jodl 127
14Alfred Rosenberg 127
15Constantin von Neurath 125
16Walther Funk 124
17Wilhelm Frick 124
18Rudolf Hess 120
19Fritz Sauckel 118
20Ernst Kaltenbrunner 113
21Julius Streicher 106


Yeah, big deal. Those are metric.
Posted by OMLandshark
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Posted on 6/11/19 at 8:04 pm to
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Hitler played Poker while stalin played chess. Id take Hitler's pokerface over Stalins stand alone chess ability though.


That’s actually a good way of putting it. I’m more of a chess than poker player myself, so it may be why I think Stalin may have had a higher IQ while someone more fond of poker would think the opposite.

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But, Adolf did surround himself with some thinkers. And at Nuremberg when even some of the lesser Nazi leaders' IQ results were published


Goering’s IQ surprises me. I would have put him on the lower end of the spectrum of Hitler’s inner circle, beating out Boremann and certainly Ribbentrop who was an outright idiot. Goebbels and Heydrich seem to have been the most intelligent IMO.

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10Joachim von Ribbentrop 129


Wait he was at 129 and smarter than Speer? I have a hard time believing that.
This post was edited on 6/11/19 at 8:10 pm
Posted by SEClint
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Posted on 6/11/19 at 8:05 pm to
For the times, it was good.
Posted by LCA131
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Posted on 6/11/19 at 8:10 pm to
Maybe so, given the gold standard was still in effect.
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