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re: Hindu Nuffins: Pepsi sues Indian Farmers for 10m rupees because they grew potatoes
Posted on 4/29/19 at 2:33 pm to fr33manator
Posted on 4/29/19 at 2:33 pm to fr33manator
They probably ignored a bunch of cease and desist letters before getting sued.
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Posted on 4/29/19 at 2:52 pm to Ed Osteen
What is that picture supposed to be?
Posted on 4/29/19 at 2:53 pm to Poohter
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But it can cross pollenate with plants planted in perfect rows. Those guys got sued too.
If your field tests 70% Roundup Canola, your going to have a hard time convincing a judge that it was "cross pollination".
Monsanto doesn't have teams of employees scouring the countryside, testing fields. I guarantee each and every farmer sued by Monsanto was given multiple opportunities to pay the licensing fee or sign a statement agreeing to not hold back seed in the future in hopes of increasing revenue. Monsanto isn't wasting time or money to go after a farmer that produced 100 bu of Monsanto beans due to cross pollination. The farmers they sue are blatantly stealing their technology
Posted on 4/29/19 at 3:10 pm to fr33manator
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Isn’t that the whole basis of agriculture?
Yes, but that's not the basis of agribusiness. These companies can't stand the idea that they can't profit off of it. They have so much power in the world and they hold the lives of billions in the palms of their hands.
By the same token, their "products" have directly impacted farm output and reduced food cost for the consumer. I am in the school of thought that thinks the patent should only be enforced on the sale of the seed, not through natural processes of pollination.
This post was edited on 4/29/19 at 3:18 pm
Posted on 4/29/19 at 3:42 pm to bountyhunter
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I am in the school of thought that thinks the patent should only be enforced on the sale of the seed, not through natural processes of pollination.
It all comes down to intent.Is Monsanto going after a farmer who has a few corners of sections that produce Roundup Ready beans because that is what the neighbor planted? No, that's ridiculous
What about the farmer that notices these corners, sprays the corners with Roundup to kill off his inferior variety, and harvests the remaining seeds to receive the yield boost next crop from Monsanto technology without ever paying Monsanto? That's who Monsanto will go after
Posted on 4/29/19 at 4:46 pm to ClampClampington
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They absolutely should sue. Millions of dollars goes into R&D of seeds that have the specific traits that Pepsi wants for its potato chips. The patent on those seeds becomes worthless if growers can save seed back to use in the future or sell to neighbors on a secondary market
as a lawyer, I am conflicted by this. If I buy the product, you are only selling me that product. The potato - or other seeds are the result of my product and a by product of what I purchased from you. You do not have the right to dictate and control ad infinitum. Its not like there is a written contract on the seeds you buy.
Of course, there may be a written contract commercially. But, If I buy seeds in Home Depot for my garden, I have the right to use everything that comes from that.
Posted on 4/29/19 at 5:11 pm to ClampClampington
quote:Seems like Pepsi shouldn't be so retarded to patent something that can literally grow after being blown off their premises. Maybe they should just build a dome over their land and not let any dust in or out without controlling it.
They absolutely should sue. Millions of dollars goes into R&D of seeds that have the specific traits that Pepsi wants for its potato chips. The patent on those seeds becomes worthless if growers can save seed back to use in the future or sell to neighbors on a secondary market
Posted on 4/29/19 at 5:12 pm to Jim Rockford
quote:They shouldn't have ever won. Also seems like a Monsanto problem and it should be their responsibility to keep it a secret instead of letting it be carried off by the wind, like a returd.
They've sued farmers when seeds blew over into adjacent fields and sprouted on their own.
Posted on 4/29/19 at 6:09 pm to dawgsjw
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They've sued farmers when seeds blew over into adjacent fields and sprouted on their own.
They shouldn't have ever won. Also seems like a Monsanto problem and it should be their responsibility to keep it a secret instead of letting it be carried off by the wind, like a returd.
At some point the stupidity of the posters on this board should cease to surprise me. But it still hasn't.
Posted on 4/29/19 at 6:52 pm to fr33manator
What’s funny about you using the csi Miami gif is that they literally had an episode on this same subject. The seed manufacturing was trying to buy out surrounding farms, wasn’t happening, so they tried to say that farmers were stealing their seeds and since they couldn’t pay them they would make them pay in acreage. One of the farmers was pissed because his crops was dying. Turns out the big farming conglomerate was using drains to wash out their pesticides and such into the surrounding farms and that was carrying their seeds and poison into the smaller farms.
Yeah cool story and all
Yeah cool story and all
Posted on 4/29/19 at 6:54 pm to fr33manator
Wait til the Irish lawyers get ahold of them.
Posted on 4/29/19 at 8:26 pm to dafif
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Of course, there may be a written contract commercially. But, If I buy seeds in Home Depot for my garden, I have the right to use everything that comes from that.\
its like buying an apple tree then getting charged for the fruit every season.
Posted on 4/29/19 at 8:52 pm to ClampClampington
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It all comes down to intent.Is Monsanto going after a farmer who has a few corners of sections that produce Roundup Ready beans because that is what the neighbor planted? No, that's ridiculous What about the farmer that notices these corners, sprays the corners with Roundup to kill off his inferior variety, and harvests the remaining seeds to receive the yield boost next crop from Monsanto technology without ever paying Monsanto? That's who Monsanto will go after
They engineered a plant. If the plant naturally makes, on it’s own, fertile seeds, they don’t own that?
If I buy a seed from you, i’ve Completed my end of the transaction.
You aren’t spending anything to grow that seed and everything that comes from a plant I grow should belong to me to do as I please.
If a company doesn’t want seeds doing what seeds do they shouldn’t make them do that
Posted on 4/29/19 at 10:14 pm to Evolved Simian
quote:So farmer Joe should be punished because the wind carried some seed from Monsanto onto their farm and sprouted? GTFO with that bullshite. If their seed is so special, then Monsanto should have to come up with ways to prevent it from spreading to neighboring farms. If anything the farmers should sue Monsanto for polluting their farm land with GMO seeds. I would imagine heirloom seeds >>>> gmo seeds.
At some point the stupidity of the posters on this board should cease to surprise me. But it still hasn't.
Posted on 4/29/19 at 10:24 pm to dawgsjw
The guys with some fringe mix on the edges weren't bring sued, the guys with 70% we're because they were clearly stealing.
Posted on 4/29/19 at 10:28 pm to ClampClampington
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Monsanto doesn't have teams of employees scouring the countryside, testing fields. I guarantee each and every farmer sued by Monsanto was given multiple opportunities to pay the licensing fee or sign a statement agreeing to not hold back seed in the future in hopes of increasing revenue. Monsanto isn't wasting time or money to go after a farmer that produced 100 bu of Monsanto beans due to cross pollination. The farmers they sue are blatantly stealing their technology
all this doesn't make for good facebook articles that get reposted by upset moms at 10:30am on a tuesday.
I'm guessing these hindus weren't just growing potatoes for their own table. They were likely selling them on the open market which is why Pepsi got involved.
Posted on 4/29/19 at 10:37 pm to Placebeaux
quote:that's fantastic.
Im confused, Pepsi has a patent on low pixel cameras?
Posted on 4/30/19 at 3:02 am to fr33manator
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They engineered a plant. If the plant naturally makes, on it’s own, fertile seeds, they don’t own that?
Soybeans self-pollinate. Their seeds are replicates of the patented seeds. There is no incentive for seed companies to develop higher yielding products if their technology can be freely duplicated
Posted on 4/30/19 at 7:30 am to ClampClampington
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Monsanto
Monsanto doesn't exist anymore. It is all under the Bayer brand name now.
In fact, the seed business may be under BASF now, but I'm not sure.
Our agribusiness overlords are German now.
This post was edited on 4/30/19 at 7:33 am
Posted on 4/30/19 at 11:18 am to ClampClampington
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Soybeans self-pollinate. Their seeds are replicates of the patented seeds. There is no incentive for seed companies to develop higher yielding products if their technology can be freely duplicated
Sure there is, getting them higher yields.
They are playing with nature, then annoyed that someone else may benefit from their work, even though they should have known that starting out.
It’s not the farmers fault that plants don’t recognize borders
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