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re: High-Paying Trade Jobs Sit Empty, While High School Grads Line Up For University
Posted on 4/26/18 at 10:19 pm to Morty
Posted on 4/26/18 at 10:19 pm to Morty
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I meant government and municipal employees. A teacher being able to retire at age 55 is a burden to taxpayers and is an antiquated notion
Gotcha. I agree.
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Posted on 4/26/18 at 10:23 pm to BearsFan
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While I agree that college isn't necessarily for everyone, it remains the best option for students who excel in high school.
Those students are in the minority of graduates, yet everything in High School is geared to those students. High schools need to start focusing on career education programs for those not going to college if we are every going to end the college debt bubble, and skilled labor shortage.
Posted on 4/26/18 at 10:48 pm to Golfer
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Based on what I paid my plumber for 2.5 days of work, I’m about to quit my job and become one.
Don’t chew your fingernails.
Posted on 4/27/18 at 6:52 am to Golfer
A lot of tradesmen..... Electricians, plumbers, HVAC, Carpenters become small business owners.
We have a plumber that lives in the front of our street. He has a very nice house, a new boat and a camp in Grand Isle. I don't think he's hurting and I don't think they do service calls. All new construction.
We have a plumber that lives in the front of our street. He has a very nice house, a new boat and a camp in Grand Isle. I don't think he's hurting and I don't think they do service calls. All new construction.
Posted on 4/27/18 at 7:04 am to Bruco
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Everyone loves the outlier. Meanwhile there are office buildings full of lawyers, bankers, engineers, salespeople, coders, doctors, creatives, etc., etc. making similar and/or better money.
OK? What's your point? The premise of the thread is that college isn't for everyone which is true. The other premise of the thread is that one can make a damned good living without going to college. This is also true.
This post was edited on 4/27/18 at 7:08 am
Posted on 4/27/18 at 7:16 am to RedRifle
If I could go back I’d be a plumber.
Posted on 4/27/18 at 7:36 am to Bruco
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Meanwhile there are office buildings full of lawyers, bankers, engineers, salespeople, coders, doctors, creatives, etc., etc. making similar and/or better money.
This highlights how bent out of shape people get over the issue.
No one is saying having a trade is the gateway to riches for everyone. The point is its a good living for many people who hate cubicles and enjoy being creative and/or working with their hands.
If you've got an independent streak you can easily turn a trade into a very lucrative small business.
The benefit of trades vs college for a lot of people who are undecided what they want to do out of college is that you can get paid during a 4 year internship as opposed to accumulating student loans.
The average worker may not make as much money as the average attorney or engineer but its a decent living nonetheless.
Posted on 4/27/18 at 8:41 am to RedRifle
Students used to be able to get trade skills in high school that would qualify them for those high paying trade jobs, but that’s not the case now.
Posted on 4/27/18 at 9:03 am to crispyUGA
quote:quote:They are sitting empty because there is no skilled labor. These are jobs that require skill and training, which can usually acquired inexpensively at local tech schools. You can't hire Jim Bob, the fry cook at the local Wendy's, and throw him in your fabrication shop as a welder. There are more jobs that require skilled labor than skilled laborers, and they all pay pretty damn well.
"High-paying"? If the jobs are sitting empty, then they aren't paying enough. Isn't this simple supply and demand?
Again, if the jobs were paying high enough, they would be filled. Trade school isn't a 4 year degree... Jim Bob the fry cook could become a welder in less than a year. It should be obvious that there are enough able bodies to fill the jobs, so why aren't those bodies learning trades to get those jobs? Because they don't pay well enough.
It doesn't matter if, in your estimation, these jobs are paying "pretty damn well". They simply aren't paying well enough for supply to meet demand. If an employer complains about a labor shortage yet doesn't raise wages, then it's just whining.
This post was edited on 4/27/18 at 10:24 am
Posted on 4/27/18 at 9:09 am to Korkstand
Because the average person is lazy and unmotivated and they'd rather stay in their dead end job in their dead end life than invest a little bit in themselves to improve their lot in life.
Posted on 4/27/18 at 9:12 am to Isabelle81
Actually in Terrebonne and Lafourche you can. I have cousin who is a senior taking electrical courses in HS. When he turns 18, over the summer Entergy has a job waiting for him.
Posted on 4/27/18 at 9:20 am to VABuckeye
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We do commercial data cabling and data center infrastructure work. We also do some other types of commercial cabling but our bread and butter is the data center and office build cabling.
How many of your employees were cable dogs (25L) from the Army?
Posted on 4/27/18 at 9:21 am to Korkstand
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Again, if the jobs were paying high enough, they would be filled.
Again, our society is loaded with young people who are lazy and look at trade jobs as beneath their station no matter the pay. There are far more of them than those who are mechanically inclined problem solvers that can't stand to sit in an office all day. That's why those jobs are hard to fill. The blue-haired tard slinging coffee with a gender studies degree isn't looking to get dirty welding steel even if meant making 3x the money.
Posted on 4/27/18 at 9:30 am to VABuckeye
quote:That is a fact, but money is a great motivator.
Because the average person is lazy and unmotivated and they'd rather stay in their dead end job in their dead end life than invest a little bit in themselves to improve their lot in life.
I'm just saying it's kind of an oxymoron to call a class of jobs "high-paying" when so many of them sit empty. They may pay more than the overall average job, but the fact that there is a labor shortage says without a doubt that they are paying too low relative to the short- and long-term financial, mental, and physical investment required to fill the position.
What can you do, as an employer, if you desperately need to fill a position but can't find anyone? The only solution is to offer more compensation.
Posted on 4/27/18 at 9:36 am to Korkstand
Money, benefits and create a work environment where people can advance and want to succeed but that speaks for pretty much every job on the planet.
Posted on 4/27/18 at 9:38 am to Centinel
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How many of your employees were cable dogs (25L) from the Army?
No former Army guys right now but I'd sure be open to having some on board. We run as lean as possible and I have a pool of temp help to pull from when we get overloaded with work. Of course, that presents its own set of issues.
Posted on 4/27/18 at 9:47 am to Korkstand
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Again, if the jobs were paying high enough, they would be filled.
You're right but I think there's a pretty big * next to that. As a society we've stigmatized most non college degreed professions. If our societal push towards glorifying 4 year degrees were lead by the market rather than quite a bit of government subsidy and incentive, there would be a lot less stigma on these blue collar jobs making them more attractive and not requiring higher rates of pay to attract qualified applicants. So the market may be saying they need to pay more to attract labor, the market is skewed by government manipulation of incentives pushing people in other directions.
Posted on 4/27/18 at 9:57 am to TigerinATL
frick a trade. I worked my arse off from 15 yrs old to when I completed school and started my career. There's good money in trade jobs without a doubt but Id prefer for my children to enjoy a career without breaking their backs. School isn't for everyone and there is a large pool to choose from but sadly Society allows those to be bottom feeding free loaders.
Posted on 4/27/18 at 9:59 am to TigerinATL
quote:Well sure the government manipulates the market, but this is true of nearly all markets and for nearly the entire history of civilization. But whatever rules government sets for the game, the underlying market forces are still at work.
You're right but I think there's a pretty big * next to that. As a society we've stigmatized most non college degreed professions. If our societal push towards glorifying 4 year degrees were lead by the market rather than quite a bit of government subsidy and incentive, there would be a lot less stigma on these blue collar jobs making them more attractive and not requiring higher rates of pay to attract qualified applicants. So the market may be saying they need to pay more to attract labor, the market is skewed by government manipulation of incentives pushing people in other directions.
Oh and offering more money goes a LONG way toward suppressing any stigma.
This post was edited on 4/27/18 at 10:01 am
Posted on 4/27/18 at 10:06 am to TheCaterpillar
About 20 years ago my cousin took a semester break from college and his Dad made him take a job with an electrician. He went back to school for 2 semesters and then never went back and went to work full time as an electrician. He was 30 years old and pulling down 125K a year, then he moved into construction and pulls in considerably more.....all this with about 1.5 years of college total
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