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re: HHS Whistle-blowers coming forward with undercover video, VAERS covered up.
Posted on 9/21/21 at 10:00 am to 3nOut
Posted on 9/21/21 at 10:00 am to 3nOut
People need to learn how to debate and think critically not just of what they’re arguing against but what they’re defending.
Stawmans are rampant in today’s world. Multiple times in this thread people have assigned words and arguments to me without ever having posted anything close to it. But it makes their argument easier to defend and helps them feel righteous. I don’t even know if they realize it. It’s just fricking lazy.
Stawmans are rampant in today’s world. Multiple times in this thread people have assigned words and arguments to me without ever having posted anything close to it. But it makes their argument easier to defend and helps them feel righteous. I don’t even know if they realize it. It’s just fricking lazy.
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Posted on 9/21/21 at 10:02 am to kingbob
quote:If anything, this lowers the hospitalization and case rate for those vaccinated. You also have asymptomatic and incidental cases for people in the hospital being called covid hospitalizations. (ETA: Just saw you mentioned these, too) Again, that raises the number… so it’s even less common.
The stats are unreliable because anyone hospitalized within 2 weeks of receiving their second jab is considered unvaccinated. Thus, if the jab puts you in the hospital, you will be counted as an unvaccinated covid patient because the jab will cause you to also test positive for Covid.
This post was edited on 9/21/21 at 10:04 am
Posted on 9/21/21 at 10:05 am to ell_13
quote:
Multiple times in this thread people have assigned words and arguments to me without ever having posted anything close to it.
Story of my life on this board.
Posted on 9/21/21 at 10:05 am to ell_13
But it pushes a false narrative that the vaccine is safe and unvaccinated are the ones getting sick. It’s hiding the fact that a lot of those people:
A. Aren’t sick from covid
B. Are vaccinated
C. Are sick from the vaccine
It’s so incredibly misleading that it’s hard to believe it’s not purposefully misleading.
So, by counting those sick with the vaccine and those sick from the vaccine as unvaccinated combined with not reporting adverse vaccine reactions, it creates a false narrative that the vaccine is safer and more effective than it really is.
A. Aren’t sick from covid
B. Are vaccinated
C. Are sick from the vaccine
It’s so incredibly misleading that it’s hard to believe it’s not purposefully misleading.
So, by counting those sick with the vaccine and those sick from the vaccine as unvaccinated combined with not reporting adverse vaccine reactions, it creates a false narrative that the vaccine is safer and more effective than it really is.
This post was edited on 9/21/21 at 10:07 am
Posted on 9/21/21 at 10:07 am to kingbob
quote:
Thus, if the jab puts you in the hospital, you will be counted as an unvaccinated covid patient because the jab will cause you to also test positive for Covid.
what? where are you seeing this?
quote:
So, by counting those sick with the vaccine and those sick from the vaccine as unvaccinated combined with not reporting adverse vaccine reactions, it creates a false narrative that the vaccine is safer and more effective than it really is.
what evidence do you have of this?
This post was edited on 9/21/21 at 10:08 am
Posted on 9/21/21 at 10:07 am to Salmon
That’s what they’re talking about in the video.
Posted on 9/21/21 at 10:08 am to kingbob
break down for me how the vaccines would cause a positive test
Posted on 9/21/21 at 10:10 am to kingbob
quote:They are pretty fricking safe based on the billions of adults vaccinated. I think we still have more work to do to prove they are safe for kids though.
But it pushes a false narrative that the vaccine is safe
quote:Thats a bad generalization and I agree it’s too rampant. But they are generally being hospitalized at a much higher rate (13-22 times higher depending on age).
unvaccinated are the ones getting sick
quote:Our government tries to manipulate rather than be honest and open. They are too generalized in their messaging. Their messaging is inconsistent. They politicized it from the beginning.
It’s so incredibly misleading that it’s hard to believe it’s not purposefully misleading.
By contrast, the Dutch are about to remove all restrictions. And they did it without a single mandate. Their politicians worked together. They were honest and trusted the people who returned that trust. They have an extremely high vaccination rate due to that trust. And that’s why they are about to completely reopen.
Posted on 9/21/21 at 10:11 am to Salmon
The vaccine increases your antibody and viral lode. When you get the vaccine, they tell you that it can cause false positives for a couple weeks. The same is true for the monoclonal antibody infusion.
In addition, “suspected covid cases”, i.e. cases showing “covid-like” symptoms despite not being tested for Or testing negative for covid are often included in the stats for “hospitalized with covid”. Because covid’s list of symptoms are so broad, that can cause people hospitalized with a lot of other ailments (including the flu and an adverse vaccine reaction) to be included in those numbers when they probably should be separated out into a separate category. They’re probably not for the purpose of pushing a narrative rather than giving unbiased information so citizens, doctors, and government officials can make informed decisions.
In addition, “suspected covid cases”, i.e. cases showing “covid-like” symptoms despite not being tested for Or testing negative for covid are often included in the stats for “hospitalized with covid”. Because covid’s list of symptoms are so broad, that can cause people hospitalized with a lot of other ailments (including the flu and an adverse vaccine reaction) to be included in those numbers when they probably should be separated out into a separate category. They’re probably not for the purpose of pushing a narrative rather than giving unbiased information so citizens, doctors, and government officials can make informed decisions.
This post was edited on 9/21/21 at 10:15 am
Posted on 9/21/21 at 10:12 am to kingbob
quote:No it doesn’t. The vaccine isn’t a “dead” virus like many other vaccines are.
and viral lode
Posted on 9/21/21 at 10:14 am to ell_13
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People need to learn how to debate and think critically not just of what they’re arguing against but what they’re defending.
Stawmans are rampant in today’s world. Multiple times in this thread people have assigned words and arguments to me without ever having posted anything close to it. But it makes their argument easier to defend and helps them feel righteous. I don’t even know if they realize it. It’s just fricking lazy.
no argument from me. it's an incredibly polarized world unfortunately.
i think the problem comes from somebody who is pro-vaccine saying similar lines from somebody they disagree with politically and then assigning all those viewpoints to the pro-vaccine person.
case in point. i think Biden's mandate and language he used a couple of weeks back was more abhorrent and tyrannical than anything Trump ever did. Trump was a lot of bad things, but he never attacked half the country and called them the problem.
But i also think empirical data shows that people with vaccines tend to fare better as a whole against the virus than unvaccinated people and while i think the negative effects of the vaccine are pretty rare, they're definitely understated from the official narrative. Thus, i personally recommend people get vaccinated after talking with their doctor.
That's a completely reasoned take.
However, it would be incredibly easy to read an excerpt of that and say that i'm agreeing with Biden who is, in my opinion, the worst president in history.
On the flip side, somebody could read an excerpt of that and yell "you can't prove there's any negative effects from the vaccine, and even if there is, there's a 1 in 100,000 chance of it happening. stop spreading misinformation."
you can't win.
Posted on 9/21/21 at 10:14 am to kingbob
quote:
The vaccine increases your antibody and viral lode.
The vaccines cause an immune response. It does not increase your viral load. The entire point of the vaccines is to reduce your viral load.
quote:
When you get the vaccine, they tell you that it can cause false positives for a couple weeks. The same is true for the monoclonal antibody infusion.
You can test positive for the antibody tests due to the vaccine induced immune response. Same for mAB.
This post was edited on 9/21/21 at 10:15 am
Posted on 9/21/21 at 10:15 am to kingbob
quote:
None of the authorized and recommended COVID-19 vaccines cause you to test positive on viral tests, which are used to see if you have a current infection.?
If your body develops an immune response to vaccination, which is the goal, you may test positive on some antibody tests. Antibody tests indicate you had a previous infection and that you may have some level of protection against the virus.
Posted on 9/21/21 at 10:17 am to goldennugget
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I couldn't imagine being so emasculated to wear a mask.
It’s easy once the fauci ouchie makes your penis fall off
Posted on 9/21/21 at 10:19 am to 3nOut
I agree completely.
You have entire swaths of people who don’t read beyond headlines, who don’t go to the source of data, who trust a 30 second soundbite over a 2 hour conversation and debate. They’re naive and easily manipulated and then they can’t be critical of anything or be challenged on what they were manipulated to believe.
You have entire swaths of people who don’t read beyond headlines, who don’t go to the source of data, who trust a 30 second soundbite over a 2 hour conversation and debate. They’re naive and easily manipulated and then they can’t be critical of anything or be challenged on what they were manipulated to believe.
Posted on 9/21/21 at 10:25 am to ell_13
I think a lot of folks are kind of missing the point around the vaccine. I think to understand the logic you need to think of it in terms of the herd. In addition to that, consider the government is the shepherd.
The government is trying to protect the herd in general. Let's imagine for a moment they do this by putting up a fence to seal out a threat they believe will kill 50% of the herd. Also, they understand 5% of the sheep will get caught in the fence and die.
This is acceptable math for the shepherd. It's acceptable for the government. It's not acceptable for the 5% of the sheep that get hung in the fence and die. It's especially not acceptable if they think they could manage the perceived threat by themselves just fine.
Same thing goes with the military and a rear guard action. You put a group of soldiers in place to slow down the enemy and protect your main force. The rear guard may all die but in the numbers game it works out.
I think the government understands that a lot of folks will get sick, die or have lifelong effects from the vaccine and they are totally OK with that, as long as most of the herd is ok.
I think a lot of folks, especially folks that have already had the virus aren't comfortable being placed behind the fence or in the "rear guard" since they are in no danger at all.
The government is trying to protect the herd in general. Let's imagine for a moment they do this by putting up a fence to seal out a threat they believe will kill 50% of the herd. Also, they understand 5% of the sheep will get caught in the fence and die.
This is acceptable math for the shepherd. It's acceptable for the government. It's not acceptable for the 5% of the sheep that get hung in the fence and die. It's especially not acceptable if they think they could manage the perceived threat by themselves just fine.
Same thing goes with the military and a rear guard action. You put a group of soldiers in place to slow down the enemy and protect your main force. The rear guard may all die but in the numbers game it works out.
I think the government understands that a lot of folks will get sick, die or have lifelong effects from the vaccine and they are totally OK with that, as long as most of the herd is ok.
I think a lot of folks, especially folks that have already had the virus aren't comfortable being placed behind the fence or in the "rear guard" since they are in no danger at all.
Posted on 9/21/21 at 10:29 am to eitek1
Not sure that’s a good analogy…
Posted on 9/21/21 at 10:31 am to eitek1
quote:
In addition to that, consider the government is the shepherd.
here is a case in point as i just had a bout of cognitive dissonance with this post.
i'm being rational when talking to ell about messaging/information/disinformation and the positives of the vaccine, but then somebody comes and acts like the government is a good shepherd trying to do the best thing for its people... and I'm going completely disregard anything else you have to say because you saying the government is a good guy who has my best interest at heart is the most laughable thing i've seen in this thread.
admitting my faults and ridiculous biases, but it is what it is.
This post was edited on 9/21/21 at 10:33 am
Posted on 9/21/21 at 10:32 am to 3nOut
I kept my response simple but felt the same way.
Posted on 9/21/21 at 10:33 am to Strannix
This won't matter....branch Covidians don't care.
Double up that mask sir!
Double up that mask sir!
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