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re: Hernan Cortez began the liberation of Mexico 500 years ago today...
Posted on 5/26/21 at 10:45 am to Frac the world
Posted on 5/26/21 at 10:45 am to Frac the world
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I would kill for a good HBO series on Cortez vs the Aztecs
No way they could do it justice. The Aztecs would be painted as a noble and peace-loving society that embraced progressive ideals while Cortez and the Spanish would be portrayed as the evil whites, bringing greed and Capitalism with them while destroying a utopia. he conquistadors weren't nice guys, but neither were the Aztecs. Life back then was just brutal. "The strong do what they can; the weak suffer what they must."
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Posted on 5/26/21 at 10:50 am to RollTide1987
quote:The old divide & conquer. It didn't take those allies long to realize they had made a horrible mistake considering the death , destruction & loss of culture that these new blood thirsty warmongers introduced.
The Aztec Empire was a blood-thirsty nation who had drawn the ire of their native neighbors for decades. With the arrival of the Spanish under Cortez, these natives now had a willing ally to take on their long-hated rival.
Posted on 5/26/21 at 11:07 am to sugar71
There is a Choctaw legend that they originally were from what's now northern Mexico and were allies of the Aztecs. When they saw what had happened with Cortez, they decided to get as far away from those white devils as they could -- and probably the other tribes who hated the now defeated Aztecs. So they migrated north, then east before settling in eastern Mississippi and western Alabama. Then De Soto showed up. Makes you wonder if Tuskaloosa was from this migration and that's why he laid a trap for De Soto at Mabila.
Posted on 5/26/21 at 11:32 am to WaWaWeeWa
quote:Would never be successful.
That would be like aliens landing and the Palestinians teaming up with them to attack the Jews.
The Palestinians would manage to screw any arrangement up with their in-fighting.
But your point is well-taken.
Posted on 5/26/21 at 11:42 am to RollTide1987
He also sent his lieutenants out to conquer as well. Coronado went to seek out El Dorado, the lost City of Gold,went as far as present day Kansas. Hernando de Soto went down to South America and did a number on the Incas. Later he went to the SE part of present day US but died of a fever on the Mississippi River near present day Memphis. Those Conquistadors were something else.
This post was edited on 5/26/21 at 11:44 am
Posted on 5/26/21 at 11:46 am to alajones
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Liberated Meso-America of 50% of their population between disease, war, and the ensuing famine that followed.
Mostly disease.
Posted on 5/26/21 at 1:03 pm to Oilfieldbiology
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Mostly disease.
Which you can't blame on Cortez or the Spanish. No one really understood the concept of microbes or how bacteria and viruses spread back then.
Posted on 5/26/21 at 1:06 pm to Jorts R Us
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Dude sure loved knocking up indigenous women. That, and murdering his first wife...maybe...
Bill Clinton is jealous.
Posted on 5/26/21 at 1:08 pm to LB84
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Guaranteed way to conquer Mexico. Land at Vera Cruz and march to Mexico City/Tenochtitlan.
Exactly what the US did in the Mexican War
Posted on 5/26/21 at 1:10 pm to S
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Smallpox is a hell of a weapon
As biological weapons go, smallpox >>>>>>>>> covid-19
Posted on 5/26/21 at 1:12 pm to The Boat
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Exactly what the US did in the Mexican War
Winfield Scott is the most underrated general in American military history.
Posted on 5/26/21 at 1:12 pm to Wolfhound45
Pretty sure conquistador doesn't translate into "liberator".
Liberators also usually don't invade and occupy foreign lands for centuries.
Liberators also usually don't invade and occupy foreign lands for centuries.
Posted on 5/26/21 at 3:05 pm to phunkatron
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Pretty sure conquistador doesn't translate into "liberator".
You can conquer someone while also liberating subjected individuals who reside within those conquered lands.
Posted on 5/27/21 at 1:48 pm to phunkatron
quote:Within 2 years the Allied nations realized their mistake of joining an alliance with the Spanish. The Aztecs attempted to convince some of the major Meso American Nations to join them & fight these strange foreigners.
Pretty sure conquistador doesn't translate into "liberator".
Liberators also usually don't invade and occupy foreign lands for centuries.
But it was only a matter of time. If not the Spanish the British, French, Portuguese or other European powers would have eventually colonialized the Americas( Just like Asia, Africa , Oceania, etc.....). Europe was a culture of War & the reason I scoff at the notion of the West calling anyone else " bloodthirsty ".
Posted on 5/27/21 at 2:07 pm to sugar71
Human history is a continuous cycle of more powerful tribes conquering less powerful tribes. It happens over and over, and the location does not matter. It's who we are as a species.
It's typically overlooked now, but some contend that the Old World got syphilis, hepatitis, encephalitis, chagas, and polio from the New World. It wasn't all one way.
It's typically overlooked now, but some contend that the Old World got syphilis, hepatitis, encephalitis, chagas, and polio from the New World. It wasn't all one way.
Posted on 5/27/21 at 2:13 pm to Hog Zealot
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He came dancing across the water
With his galleons and guns
Posted on 5/27/21 at 2:15 pm to sugar71
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Europe was a culture of War
As was the Aztec Empire.
Posted on 5/27/21 at 2:17 pm to IAmNERD
We have a poster who is the reincarnated Cortez:
This would be Peej's route to go from Santiago, Cuba to Trujillo, Honduras.
This would be Peej's route to go from Santiago, Cuba to Trujillo, Honduras.
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Posted on 5/27/21 at 2:18 pm to sugar71
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The old divide & conquer. It didn't take those allies long to realize they had made a horrible mistake considering the death , destruction & loss of culture that these new blood thirsty warmongers introduced.
You know little about the Aztecs. I visited the Templo Mayor museum not too long ago. You should go if you're ever in Mexico City. Posted on 5/27/21 at 2:21 pm to The Boat
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Exactly what the US did in the Mexican War
The French did it as well.
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