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Help me understand the mortgage forbearance agreement
Posted on 4/23/20 at 8:18 am
Posted on 4/23/20 at 8:18 am
The forbearance plan available at this time allows borrowers experiencing a temporary hardship to make no mortgage payments for three months. The deferred payments will be due at the end of the three-month plan.
How will this help anyone that lost their job if you have a balloon payment on month four? What am I missing here??
How will this help anyone that lost their job if you have a balloon payment on month four? What am I missing here??
Posted on 4/23/20 at 8:19 am to HogBalls
It won’t. If you’re underemployed with no income how will you come up with the money? Should have deferred the payment and added to the back end of loan.
Posted on 4/23/20 at 8:19 am to HogBalls
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The deferred payments will be due at the end of the three-month plan.
I thought they were just tacking them on to the end of the mortgage and not charging late fees.
Posted on 4/23/20 at 8:20 am to HogBalls
You're not missing anything
Posted on 4/23/20 at 8:20 am to HogBalls
You sure that’s what it says? Or does it say something like at the end of the term?
Posted on 4/23/20 at 8:20 am to HogBalls
We'll, it gives them more time to come up with the money if for some reason they don't have it for the first mortgage payment when the forbearance is available, etc. Not great, but I guess it's something.
This post was edited on 4/23/20 at 1:25 pm
Posted on 4/23/20 at 8:25 am to HogBalls
Run away. Don’t do it.
Turns out to be a loan modification. And depending on your lender, it’s a very misleading and tedious process.
Turns out to be a loan modification. And depending on your lender, it’s a very misleading and tedious process.
Posted on 4/23/20 at 8:27 am to HogBalls
I guess I understood it to mean that they would forgive up to three months, and then add the three months to the end of the term; not a balloon payment.
Ex. Original term was set to be paid off 6-1-20, the new paid off date would be 9-1-20.
Ex. Original term was set to be paid off 6-1-20, the new paid off date would be 9-1-20.
Posted on 4/23/20 at 8:29 am to HogBalls
ConsumerFinance.gov
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Questions to ask What options are available to help you temporarily reduce or suspend my payments? Are there forbearance, loan modification, or other options? Can you waive late fees? Get it in writing
Once you’re able to secure forbearance or another mortgage relief option, ask your servicer to provide written documentation that confirms the details of your agreement and that you’re clear on what the terms are. With some forbearance programs, you may owe all of your missed payments at one time, or additional payments at the end of the mortgage might be required, so make sure you’re familiar with the final terms.
Posted on 4/23/20 at 8:40 am to Norla
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I guess I understood it to mean that they would forgive up to three months, and then add the three months to the end of the term; not a balloon payment.
Ex. Original term was set to be paid off 6-1-20, the new paid off date would be 9-1-20.
Nope I went through this with the 2016 flood. With the way mortgages are structured and backed by the Fed they can not tack on payments at the end the same way you can say with a car note.
Without knowing the details something about fixed interest, inflation, blah blah blah it's in all mountain of paperwork you sign when you buy a house.
If you defer for three months with a forbearance say May, June, July, then in august when it's up you owe for May, June, July, and August.
The only other option is loan modification they call it. This is basically a refinance and a new agreement. They have to come to a house do a inspection and draw you up a whole new mountain of paperwork to sign.
Posted on 4/23/20 at 8:46 am to HogBalls
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The deferred payments will be due at the end of the three-month plan.
Not at my bank
If I have a hardship and can't pay my mortgage it will be added to the back end of my loan with no penalties.
Get a better bank.
Posted on 4/23/20 at 8:48 am to mindbreaker
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The only other option is loan modification they call it. This is basically a refinance and a new agreement. They have to come to a house do a inspection and draw you up a whole new mountain of paperwork to sign
That happened to me back around 2009 or so when I went through a rough patch. They offered me a loan modification and reduced my interest 2% points and added the past due back to the principle. I took it but it was a huge mistake. They immediately sold my to some really crappy service company, Ocwen, and I never could get someone that knew what they were talking about. They couldn't give me a pay history and always considered my in collections, even 4 years later of On Time payments. It was really tough to get away from them.
Posted on 4/23/20 at 8:52 am to mindbreaker
If you had GMFS in 2016 they royally screwed you with that exact thing. I asked them at least 6 times about whether it was tacked on at end or all due and they said each time it would not be due in 3 months. Guess what happened after 3 months?
Posted on 4/23/20 at 8:53 am to HogBalls
The usual, not seen this specific one though, is to "defer" the payments to the end of the note.
So your example of 6/20-9/20 would hold. Without late payment fees since the lender is agreeing the due date is moving 3 months.
What you do get though is 3 months interest accrual. Depending on how early into your term is how big a difference that makes (higher principal = higher accrual vs late in your term lower principal = lower accrual) in actual cost.
Then there's the whole decision making on whether your job and income (separate things in this new paradigm) will return in the 3 months or so, what inflationary impact artificially inflating the amount of money supply by several Trillions will do to cost of living, etc..
If very very early in the term of the mortgage and questionable income return it could be better to walk away. Or it could be in one's best interests to remain. Purely an individual decision.
As a previous mortgage lender I can understand both sides of the equation. Can't fault the individual for making the best decision for themselves. Can't fault the lender for trying to protect themselves either. Situation like the current one could easily be a lose/lose case with the negotiations around who loses more, or equally, lender vs debtor.
Good luck!
So your example of 6/20-9/20 would hold. Without late payment fees since the lender is agreeing the due date is moving 3 months.
What you do get though is 3 months interest accrual. Depending on how early into your term is how big a difference that makes (higher principal = higher accrual vs late in your term lower principal = lower accrual) in actual cost.
Then there's the whole decision making on whether your job and income (separate things in this new paradigm) will return in the 3 months or so, what inflationary impact artificially inflating the amount of money supply by several Trillions will do to cost of living, etc..
If very very early in the term of the mortgage and questionable income return it could be better to walk away. Or it could be in one's best interests to remain. Purely an individual decision.
As a previous mortgage lender I can understand both sides of the equation. Can't fault the individual for making the best decision for themselves. Can't fault the lender for trying to protect themselves either. Situation like the current one could easily be a lose/lose case with the negotiations around who loses more, or equally, lender vs debtor.
Good luck!
Posted on 4/23/20 at 8:56 am to MrLarson
But what happens to the escrow? Were your house insurance, flood insurance, etc. Added to the back end also?
Posted on 4/23/20 at 8:58 am to statman34
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If you had GMFS in 2016 they royally screwed you with that exact thing.
They hold their loans now? They used to sell them really quickly, usually after the first payment. That's who I originally was with, then sold to GMAC Mortgage, who then sold me to Ocwen, which was horrible.
Posted on 4/23/20 at 9:19 am to supadave3
Yeah they hold them for the most part. They have a servicing company that handles the day to day stuff, but it is still them behind the curtain.
Words cannot express how bad they were in 2016. They since have switched servicing companies and they are better...but I wonder if the communication during times like this have improved vs. what we got then.
Words cannot express how bad they were in 2016. They since have switched servicing companies and they are better...but I wonder if the communication during times like this have improved vs. what we got then.
Posted on 4/23/20 at 9:32 am to mindbreaker
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f you defer for three months with a forbearance say May, June, July, then in august when it's up you owe for May, June, July, and August.
I’ve been hearing this and seeing people on Facebook posting this so I called my mortgage company out of curiosity because this makes zero sense. If you have a $2,000 mortgage and are laid off and can’t make payments, how the hell are you supposed to pay $6,000 in 3 months. My mortgage company told me you have the OPTION to pay for the 3 months (mine offers up to 6 months) but most people will just have their payments posted to the back end of the loan. I guess other lenders could be different but mine gives you options.
Posted on 4/23/20 at 10:12 am to HogBalls
Good banks will tack on those three months to the end of the loan. AKA, extend the maturity date three months.
Posted on 4/23/20 at 10:12 am to JonTheTigerFan
My mortgage company told me that since they're not a bank they can't move it to the end, and that they are regulated different than banks. All due at end of three months. Had to call to learn that.
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