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Posted on 9/8/14 at 12:55 pm to CAD703X
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what did you want him to do??
Pay attention.
Posted on 9/8/14 at 12:55 pm to tylercsbn9
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This is 100% darwin award candidate's fault.
Except it's not.
Posted on 9/8/14 at 12:55 pm to 911Moto
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I've seen this video presented as a message to car drivers to be more attentive to bikes.
I posted it for that reason but to also warn bike riders to slow down as well.
Posted on 9/8/14 at 12:56 pm to xXLSUXx
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No way that car could've reacted fast enough with him travelling that fast.
Absolutely he could have. Every driver is legally responsible for not turning in front of a moving vehicle no matter how fast. He didn't have right of way. Probably the car driver either misjudged the bike's speed or simply never saw the bike at all.
This does not excuse the biker from driving so fast he couldn't adjust in time, of course.
Both drivers were at fault here.
Posted on 9/8/14 at 12:56 pm to thesoccerfanjax
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So you just don't turn across a lane until you see absolutely NO vehicles coming? It must take you forever to get anywhere.
I'm a good driver. I get everywhere quickly. Sorry your brain doesn't process things quickly enough.
Posted on 9/8/14 at 12:56 pm to foshizzle
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Absolutely he could have. Every driver is legally responsible for not turning in front of a moving vehicle no matter how fast. He didn't have right of way. Probably the car driver either misjudged the bike's speed or simply never saw the bike at all.
This does not excuse the biker from driving so fast he couldn't adjust in time, of course.
Both drivers were at fault here.
This. How anyone disagrees with any of this is beyond me.
Posted on 9/8/14 at 12:56 pm to CAD703X
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EXACTLY. at 150ft a sec (more or less) at 5-6 seconds away, thats nearly 1000 feet away. not sure how long it takes to slow down & turn, but its probably 5-10 seconds.
at 10 seconds, the driver of the car wouldn't even see the guy 2000 feet away.
at 5 seconds he probably wouldn't see more than a black dot.
at 2 seconds, the fricker was still nearly 300 feet away.
no way the driver was expecting a fricking bulletrain coming at him when he turned. he's expecting cars going maybe 40mph or whatever teh limit is.
at 5 seconds he probably wouldn't see more than a black dot.
At 5 seconds the motorcycle was behind another car that was seemingly doing the speed limit. No way the motorcycle was visible to the turning car at 5 seconds away.
Posted on 9/8/14 at 12:56 pm to LNCHBOX
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Pay attention.
Also, he should have pulled out his radar gun before deciding if he had time to turn. You just never know with all these idiot crotch rocketeers around.
Posted on 9/8/14 at 12:57 pm to 911Moto
Bikers need to understand that the road isn't for thrills - the track is. I rode of the street for a while when I had my R6. The last time I rode on the street was the day that I ran from the cops at over 100 mph. And I didn't do this as a dumbass teenager or college student, I did it as a 40something year old dentist with a wife and 3 kids at home. After reflecting on it, I never put that bike on the street again. I bought a trailer, bought my kid a Ninja 250, and we started doing travk days every month. Once you hit the track, you have zero desire to ride like an a-hole on the street, because it just isn't fun anymore. Riding on the track is one of the most amazing things you'll ever experience, and it is exponentially safer than riding on the street.
Posted on 9/8/14 at 12:57 pm to LNCHBOX
quote:To a motorcycle he quite possibly could not see at all when he committed to the turn?
Pay attention.
Posted on 9/8/14 at 12:57 pm to foshizzle
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Probably the car driver either misjudged the bike's speed or simply never saw the bike at all.
YA THINK?
Posted on 9/8/14 at 12:57 pm to CAD703X
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can you provide any further insight? speed limit? bio of the driver who killed the biker?
Speed limit is 60mph,(he was going 97) and there is a slight hill which makes it difficult to see cars more than a few hundred yards ahead. There are often large 18 wheelers turning off that road at the intersection, so it's absolutely nuts coming over the little hill doing more than 70...feel really bad for the biker and his family, but he was from around here and knew the road - and there are people killed on it every year. Sadly another biker died that same day on a road just a few miles away going 80+ around a sharp corner.
This post was edited on 9/8/14 at 1:00 pm
Posted on 9/8/14 at 12:58 pm to thesoccerfanjax
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Also, he should have pulled out his radar gun before deciding if he had time to turn. You just never know with all these idiot crotch rocketeers around.
I know you think you're making a point, but you're not. You are legally responsible for paying attention to what is in front of you. That includes people speeding.
If you can't handle it, don't drive.
Posted on 9/8/14 at 12:58 pm to foshizzle
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Every driver is legally responsible for not turning in front of a moving vehicle no matter how fast.
Not exactly accurate. A drive can be found not guilty of charges if the speeding vehicle is considered drastic. 100mph will free drive of car 9 out of 10 times.
Posted on 9/8/14 at 12:58 pm to CAD703X
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what did you want him to do?? conjure up the image of a car coming towards him and not attempt to turn?
I don't know why you are quoting me. I was just correcting 911moto who said something about the guy did see him and thought he could turn. We know the driver admitted to not seeing him.
This post was edited on 9/8/14 at 12:59 pm
Posted on 9/8/14 at 12:58 pm to LNCHBOX
Nah it just seems you own a bike and probably speed like this guy was doing, and want to justify your actions.
Posted on 9/8/14 at 12:58 pm to htownjeep
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at 5 seconds he probably wouldn't see more than a black dot.
Unless the bulb was out, he would have had his headlight(s) on.
Posted on 9/8/14 at 12:59 pm to shel311
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To a motorcycle he quite possibly could not see at all when he committed to the turn?
Bike passes on the right, should have been visible. Since the driver admitted to never seeing the bike, it is clear the driver wasn't paying attention.
Posted on 9/8/14 at 12:59 pm to foshizzle
quote:I won't argue the legalities that I don't know, but logically this is kind of silly. IF you commit to a turn when a bike is so far away that you don't even see him, it's kind of ridiculous to then be responsible if that bike is going 150mph and hits you. In that hypothetical, you did everything you could and the accident was not avoidable on your end, only on the motorcycle's end.
Absolutely he could have. Every driver is legally responsible for not turning in front of a moving vehicle no matter how fast. He didn't have right of way. Probably the car driver either misjudged the bike's speed or simply never saw the bike at all.
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