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re: Helene - Recovery Begins...Devastating Flash Flooding in Western NC and Eastern TN
Posted on 10/6/24 at 2:50 pm to TarheelPete
Posted on 10/6/24 at 2:50 pm to TarheelPete
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What sort of dumb frick people are you following that say there are too many volunteers lol?
I use my own fricking eyes genius
Alison from Cary driving up here to hand out water isn’t doing anything but getting in the way.
This post was edited on 10/6/24 at 2:52 pm
Posted on 10/6/24 at 3:17 pm to Obtuse1
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This is certainly true on our end of Lake Lure, not a lot of year round residents. The easy way to verify people would be by requiring some proof of ownership like tax or utility bills and their DL. I can show I own property with various bills but my DL shows my primary residence is about 100 miles away. There is probably a time that is reasonable to keep just property owners out but not restrict full-time residents access. Then a later time when property owners are allowed in but people that are neither residents, property owners, or legitimate relief workers are still restricted.
While it was frustrating post Katrina to have to wait so long to check on rental property in Uptown NOLA, I later understood why control of non-residents is important. After my regular work day, I delivered a load of drywall in a 1 ton I borrowed from work. After unloading into the recently gutted and mold abated ground level (upstairs was fine) I left and was stopped two blocks away by plain clothes city police with 4 jumping out something like an old Honda Accord. They showed badges and frisked me up against the truck as two searched the vehicle. After asking why I was there (wife owned property) I responded truthfully. He then told me that there were a lot of homes being burglarized by crews gutting downstairs then returning at night to take valuables from upstairs.
A few of these crews were volunteers, most were laborers for local contractors. Just a note that some there to help is to help themselves. While few and far between they still exist.
As a side note, one of the guys with my contractor asked if he could have fruit from a grapefruit tree. At lunch he pounded a few boxes of Jobs plant spikes around the roots A year later some volunteer from Florida had picked 6 garbage bags of grapefruit when I caught him at it. Ran him off.
Most went to the worker (great guy older guy) and two came back home with me to give to neighbors. That tree had never produced that much ever before, not even half
Posted on 10/6/24 at 3:29 pm to LegendInMyMind
The only and best way to get ahead of such rumors is for a governor in the initial press conference to give facts and figures while speaking in a decisive manner. This reassures the public that while the conditions are horrible, everything that can be done is being done.
I watched NC governor's initial presser and was no impressed as he read haltingly from a teleprompter. He'd have been better off reading off of sheets of paper as he spoke impromptu.
This is pretty good in addressing misinformation.
LINK
I watched NC governor's initial presser and was no impressed as he read haltingly from a teleprompter. He'd have been better off reading off of sheets of paper as he spoke impromptu.
This is pretty good in addressing misinformation.
LINK
Posted on 10/6/24 at 4:20 pm to CitizenK
I wonder at what point do the power outage maps and charts give up"
Number customers before the storm
Number customers with power
Number customers awaiting power restored
Number accounts in abeyance because customer's building no longer there.
That last number is happening but as far as I can tell , it's not reported.
Number customers before the storm
Number customers with power
Number customers awaiting power restored
Number accounts in abeyance because customer's building no longer there.
That last number is happening but as far as I can tell , it's not reported.
Posted on 10/6/24 at 5:29 pm to tiger91
I’m going to call him now and see where he is. They were in Jasper,Fl. Haven’t spoke to him in five days.
They can always use donations. They do a lot. 1200-1500 meals a day. Good meals.
They can always use donations. They do a lot. 1200-1500 meals a day. Good meals.
This post was edited on 10/6/24 at 5:40 pm
Posted on 10/6/24 at 5:52 pm to GetCocky11
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Alison from Cary driving up here to hand out water isn’t doing anything but getting in the way.
Tap the brakes, Larry Logistics. What does Alison look like?
Posted on 10/6/24 at 5:55 pm to Bigfishchoupique
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I’m going to call him now and see where he is. They were in Jasper,Fl. Haven’t spoke to him in five days.
They were in south GA from the last update he made here. At least that is the last update I remember seeing.
Posted on 10/6/24 at 5:55 pm to LCA131
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Tap the brakes, Larry Logistics. What does Alison look like?
She just might be servicing mancamps of repair crews. If so, definitely making bank
Posted on 10/6/24 at 6:40 pm to LegendInMyMind
Yes they had moved to Georgia.
I remember him saying they take off of work to do this .. or at least some do. This has been two weeks now ..
They do great work. I’ve donated before but will again.
I remember him saying they take off of work to do this .. or at least some do. This has been two weeks now ..
They do great work. I’ve donated before but will again.
Posted on 10/6/24 at 6:52 pm to SquatchDawg
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My best guess as to why people got surprised by this storm was that we’ve had several storm remnants come through the SC upstate and western NC over the years and they were minimal events.
My sister said they started getting messages on their cell phones Wednesday from the NWS.
“prepare for catastrophic, life-threatening flooding.” Was being broadcasted to expect it to be worse than 1916 flooding in the area and get out now.
Now preventing the flooding one thing but people had the warning with enough time to vacate the area.
Posted on 10/6/24 at 8:46 pm to TideWarrior
Would anyone mind telling me how, or if, Graham County, NC, fared?
I was particularly interested in the Deal's Gap, Robbinsville, and Fontana Dam areas.
Was this area spared? I haven't seen a single update from that region. I'm hoping no news is good news.
I was particularly interested in the Deal's Gap, Robbinsville, and Fontana Dam areas.
Was this area spared? I haven't seen a single update from that region. I'm hoping no news is good news.

Posted on 10/6/24 at 9:44 pm to LSUgusto
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Would anyone mind telling me how, or if, Graham County, NC, fared?
Graham County doesn't have a death listed on the tracker I've been watching. So, that's good news.
Posted on 10/6/24 at 9:47 pm to LSUgusto
I'm not sure what rainfall they got (we lost power for two days and missed some things), but the Dragon was closed and then has been reopened as an alternative not-big-truck route.
What saved them is the size of the watershed. On the Little Tee River the drainage is nowhere as huge as on the French Broad. Also the up river dams (Fontana and Chilhowee ) are very deep and can hold back a lot of water. As roads go, the Cherohala (?spelling) Skyway hasn't been mentioned as having problems.
The TDOT maps haven't shown road closures or work down there. LINK
What saved them is the size of the watershed. On the Little Tee River the drainage is nowhere as huge as on the French Broad. Also the up river dams (Fontana and Chilhowee ) are very deep and can hold back a lot of water. As roads go, the Cherohala (?spelling) Skyway hasn't been mentioned as having problems.
The TDOT maps haven't shown road closures or work down there. LINK
Posted on 10/6/24 at 10:04 pm to LSUgusto
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Would anyone mind telling me how, or if, Graham County, NC, fared?
Here is a link to the satellite imagery of the Hurricane damage.
NOAA Geodetic Survey
Posted on 10/6/24 at 10:15 pm to cajunandy
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Here is a link to the satellite imagery of the Hurricane damage.
Great resource, but they haven't done Graham County, which hopefully means it faired pretty well comparatively.
Posted on 10/7/24 at 6:52 am to LegendInMyMind
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Great resource, but they haven't done Graham County, which hopefully means it faired pretty well comparatively.
I have a friend in Murphy and he said other than some wind they did fine. I think Graham and the western tip of NC was on the “good”side of the storm FWIW.
Posted on 10/7/24 at 7:02 am to SquatchDawg
Our family cabin north of Murphy never lost power, and usually the power goes out if a bird flaps their wings too close to the lines.
Posted on 10/7/24 at 7:08 am to rds dc
Since most if not all the damage in NC was flood related does that mean homeowners insurance won't be responsible?
Posted on 10/7/24 at 7:35 am to phil good
His recap
In full:
Home in Florida and had a moment to gather my thoughts about hurricane response that I saw in NC/SC.
I’ve been to quite a few hurricane zones and flood zones in last few years to help out.
Katrina, Rita, Harvey, Colorado Floods, KY Floods, the two hurricanes that hit us here in Florida when we opened shop (I live tweeted them) see video*, and a couple more….
I can honestly say without question in the parts of SC/NC I was in, I was shocked at how little I saw crews working on power lines or removing trees.
I exited and entered the area to get provisions to the south, north, and east of affected zones and it was eerily slow to me.
I saw more activity days before the hurricanes hit us a couple years ago getting ready for the hurricane than I saw anywhere in the areas affected by Helene recovering.
It seemed like the bulk of the work was all being done by the locals.
I didn’t see any resistance to helpers like some claim but also wasn’t participating in SAR efforts.
It definitely was aggravating to see the effort in recovery.
I never saw one FEMA truck, but did see multiple Red Cross ones.
PS that’s a hotel roof in video.
-E
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In full:
Home in Florida and had a moment to gather my thoughts about hurricane response that I saw in NC/SC.
I’ve been to quite a few hurricane zones and flood zones in last few years to help out.
Katrina, Rita, Harvey, Colorado Floods, KY Floods, the two hurricanes that hit us here in Florida when we opened shop (I live tweeted them) see video*, and a couple more….
I can honestly say without question in the parts of SC/NC I was in, I was shocked at how little I saw crews working on power lines or removing trees.
I exited and entered the area to get provisions to the south, north, and east of affected zones and it was eerily slow to me.
I saw more activity days before the hurricanes hit us a couple years ago getting ready for the hurricane than I saw anywhere in the areas affected by Helene recovering.
It seemed like the bulk of the work was all being done by the locals.
I didn’t see any resistance to helpers like some claim but also wasn’t participating in SAR efforts.
It definitely was aggravating to see the effort in recovery.
I never saw one FEMA truck, but did see multiple Red Cross ones.
PS that’s a hotel roof in video.
-E
Posted on 10/7/24 at 8:00 am to OU Guy
I've only read like 2 pages of this 300 page thread and I'm not trying to turn this political, just making an observation as someone who knows a lot of people in impacted areas (though since this is TD I'm sure there is plenty of politics already)....
I am shocked at the consistency of the stories that are coming out about the lack of help from FEMA and the government in general. Friends all along the political spectrum have been telling me the same things and voicing extreme frustration with our government. They feel abandoned, and they really have been. The relative lack of news coverage of these gaffs compared to how Bush got hammered during Katrina is also really disgusting because media coverage actually can impact things on the ground if stuff gets exposed.
I am shocked at the consistency of the stories that are coming out about the lack of help from FEMA and the government in general. Friends all along the political spectrum have been telling me the same things and voicing extreme frustration with our government. They feel abandoned, and they really have been. The relative lack of news coverage of these gaffs compared to how Bush got hammered during Katrina is also really disgusting because media coverage actually can impact things on the ground if stuff gets exposed.
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