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re: Helene - Recovery Begins...Devastating Flash Flooding in Western NC and Eastern TN
Posted on 10/3/24 at 12:50 pm to rds dc
Posted on 10/3/24 at 12:50 pm to rds dc
One last update about my sister:
Still no electricity or internet, but the neighbors have been able to clear all the driveways and enough area on the road to the bottom of the mountain to get cars through. They were able to get off the mountain to a grocery store that had food, and a gas station that had fuel, and they now have access to water thanks to a neighbor. She is blessed to live around a lot of self-sufficient people.
There is debris everywhere and downed powerlines, though they're not live. They're concerned that if it rains again, the road will become impassable again. She says they saw people working on clearing the Blue Ridge Pkwy. Sadly, there are many people much worse off than the people on her mountain.
Still no electricity or internet, but the neighbors have been able to clear all the driveways and enough area on the road to the bottom of the mountain to get cars through. They were able to get off the mountain to a grocery store that had food, and a gas station that had fuel, and they now have access to water thanks to a neighbor. She is blessed to live around a lot of self-sufficient people.
There is debris everywhere and downed powerlines, though they're not live. They're concerned that if it rains again, the road will become impassable again. She says they saw people working on clearing the Blue Ridge Pkwy. Sadly, there are many people much worse off than the people on her mountain.
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Posted on 10/3/24 at 12:53 pm to upgrayedd
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Well Kamala said she’s going to give them $750 if they REALLY need it
Is that before or after she prioritizing aid in favor of blacks and other people of color?
Posted on 10/3/24 at 1:00 pm to Carolhdg
Worth noting that the topography is now just flat altered. I can't imagine some of these communities will be able to rebuild because of that.
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Posted on 10/3/24 at 1:03 pm to dallastigers
We are going to have the rethink the time it takes for a warning to be heeded.
We heard "Flash Flood Watch" well in advance of the storm.
What nobody gave attention to was the rainfall well in advance of the storm. Not in the mountains, we had 4.7 inches before the storm came through and that took out our power. Completely. I had seen an upgrade to "Flash flood warning" about an hour before the power died. After that, nothing.
I wonder how many folks to the east of me didn't get the warnings because of losing cell phone towers and or their electricity. And they may have last seen the prediction that the heaviest rain would be down near Seneca, a whole different drainage system than the French Broad.
We heard "Flash Flood Watch" well in advance of the storm.
What nobody gave attention to was the rainfall well in advance of the storm. Not in the mountains, we had 4.7 inches before the storm came through and that took out our power. Completely. I had seen an upgrade to "Flash flood warning" about an hour before the power died. After that, nothing.
I wonder how many folks to the east of me didn't get the warnings because of losing cell phone towers and or their electricity. And they may have last seen the prediction that the heaviest rain would be down near Seneca, a whole different drainage system than the French Broad.
Posted on 10/3/24 at 1:05 pm to BluegrassBelle
Death toll has topped 200, with 101 in North Carolina.
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Hurricane Helene Fatality Total: 205+
{"Hundreds" Remain Missing}
-Deadliest hurricane to strike the mainland United States since Hurricane Katrina in 2005.
-101+ in North Carolina ["Hundreds" Remain Missing]
•61+ in Buncombe County
•9 in Yancey County
•6 in Henderson County
•6 in Haywood County
•5 in Avery County
•2 in Cleveland County
•2 in Watauga County
•1 in Catawba County
•1 in Gaston County
•1 in Polk County
•1 in Mecklenburg County
•1 in Macon County
•1 in Madison County
•1 in Ashe County
•1 in Yadkin County
•1 in Burke County
•1 in Rutherford County
-39 in South Carolina
•6 in Spartanburg County
•6 in Aiken County
•6 in Greenville County
•4 in Saluda County
•4 in Anderson County
•3 in Laurens County
•2 in Newberry County
•2 in Chester County
•1 in Greenwood County
•1 in Chesterfield County
•1 in Richland County
•1 in York County
•2 Others [Unknown Location]
-33 in Georgia
•6 in Richmond County
•4 in McDuffie County
•3 in Lowndes County
•3 in Chatham County
•2 in Wheeler County
•2 in Laurens County
•2 in Jeff Davis County
•2 in Washington County
•1 in Colquitt County
•1 in Pierce County
•1 in Liberty County
•1 in Columbia County
•5 Others [Unknown Location]
-19 in Florida
•12 in Pinellas County
•2 in Hillsborough County
•1 in Dixie County
•1 in Charlotte County
•3 Others [Unknown Locations]
•0 in Taylor County {Hurricane Landfall Location}
-11+ in Tennessee [Dozens Remain Missing]
•2 in Cocke County
•2 in Unicoi County
•1 in Johnson County
•1 in Greene County
•5 Others [Unknown Locations]
-2 in Virginia
•1 in Craig County
•1 in Tazewell County
Posted on 10/3/24 at 1:11 pm to real turf fan
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We are going to have the rethink the time it takes for a warning to be heeded.
We heard "Flash Flood Watch" well in advance of the storm.
What nobody gave attention to was the rainfall well in advance of the storm. Not in the mountains, we had 4.7 inches before the storm came through and that took out our power. Completely. I had seen an upgrade to "Flash flood warning" about an hour before the power died. After that, nothing.
I wonder how many folks to the east of me didn't get the warnings because of losing cell phone towers and or their electricity. And they may have last seen the prediction that the heaviest rain would be down near Seneca, a whole different drainage system than the French Broad.
Unfortunately, people just don't pay much attention to Flash Flood Warnings.
The warnings that were issued during the PRE leading up to Helene noted the cumulative threat that those early rains posed. The WPC focused on that messaging in their multi-day Mod and High Risk Excessive Rainfall Outlooks. The messaging was spot on in regards to the NWS/SPC, including strong language leading up to and during the worst of it. I don't know how it was covered locally by TV news/weather outlets, though.
Posted on 10/3/24 at 1:17 pm to real turf fan
The weather forecast on Asheville the news nailed how it was going to play out the evening before (I watched it). The storm was actually less severe than they predicted - they estimated the French Broad River to hit 31 ft and it only hit 27 ft (21 ft was the historical record). People were given good information with time to get out. The choices they made with it were not ideal
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Posted on 10/3/24 at 1:35 pm to BluegrassBelle
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But what exactly were people supposed to do at that point? People ignore weather alerts all of the time.
It's a problem. Most of the time the tornado doesn't hit you. Most of the time in a flash flood warning if you stay off the roads for the next little while you're good. Occasionally the tornado does hit you. Occasionally the flash flood warning means water is about to be waist deep in you living room. If you heed every warning to the nth degree you'll be running for the hills a lot when you didn't need to. So you stay home next time and it's the one time you should have taken it seriously.
Posted on 10/3/24 at 1:41 pm to Jim Rockford
Posted on 10/3/24 at 1:42 pm to real turf fan
I will say a lot of what the lack of response highlights is how the NWS desperately needs to rework its watch/warning system across the board to reduce the number of watches and warnings issued of all types
The vast, vast majority result in nothing happening of significant. At that point it's just human nature to stop paying attention or not paying attention as much as one should
Lord knows how many flash flood watches/warnings I've been under in my life and not one of them has effected me in any way
The vast, vast majority result in nothing happening of significant. At that point it's just human nature to stop paying attention or not paying attention as much as one should
Lord knows how many flash flood watches/warnings I've been under in my life and not one of them has effected me in any way
Posted on 10/3/24 at 1:44 pm to Jim Rockford
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It's a problem. Most of the time the tornado doesn't hit you. Most of the time in a flash flood warning if you stay off the roads for the next little while you're good. Occasionally the tornado does hit you. Occasionally the flash flood warning means water is about to be waist deep in you living room. If you heed every warning to the nth degree you'll be running for the hills a lot when you didn't need to. So you stay home next time and it's the one time you should have taken it seriously.
Sure. But I don't see how that's on the NWS or NHC (as suggested by the guy I was responding to). Weather in unpredictable. That's on people making a calculated risk.
We have fronts that often stall or dissipate around the Ohio River here. There's no real way of letting people know just how intense it will be until closer to time for the storm to move through in majority of cases.
Posted on 10/3/24 at 1:46 pm to Wishnitwas1998
You said it more succinctly than I did.
The other thing is depending on where you're located, a warning can mean a nothingburger or a deadly threat, and the difference can be miniscule. When I was a kid we had a flash flood that put water in our neighbor's house across the street. Our house stayed dry. To the naked eye it was the same elevation but there was enough difference that one house flooded and one didn't.
The other thing is depending on where you're located, a warning can mean a nothingburger or a deadly threat, and the difference can be miniscule. When I was a kid we had a flash flood that put water in our neighbor's house across the street. Our house stayed dry. To the naked eye it was the same elevation but there was enough difference that one house flooded and one didn't.
Posted on 10/3/24 at 1:47 pm to OU Guy
The death toll has soared past 200, with more than half being in North Carolina. And here's an interesting Katrina vs. Helene comparison:
Posted on 10/3/24 at 1:49 pm to Jim Rockford
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It's a problem. Most of the time the tornado doesn't hit you. Most of the time in a flash flood warning if you stay off the roads for the next little while you're good. Occasionally the tornado does hit you. Occasionally the flash flood warning means water is about to be waist deep in you living room. If you heed every warning to the nth degree you'll be running for the hills a lot when you didn't need to. So you stay home next time and it's the one time you should have taken it seriously.
The threat is relative, as is the decision making process. A flash flood warning where I am, even with a foot or more rain, won't be life threatening to anyone unless they are driving. There are a couple of areas that would have water in homes, but not to the point people are on their roofs waiting for rescue.
In mountainous areas full of hills and hollers with a far-flung population that same rainfall is an entirely different animal. Your decision making has to center on those particulars. I said in this thread that if I was in that area, particularly in a flood prone part of that area, I would strongly consider evacuating as if I were living on the coast and facing the surge threat.
The fact is, we were 108 years removed from that area's flood of record. There likely isn't a person alive who directly experienced that flood. Unless they study weather history those people there now had no point of reference as to what was coming their way. We have a way of rationalizing the risk levels we face. Couple that with the "It won't happen to me" mindset and a general apathy to weather in general, and you get what we are witnessing.
This is why it is important to understand what the area you live in is actually capable of. Just because it doesn't happen every year or every 100 years doesn't mean it can't happen. The forecast for this was good, it was really good. Just because you ignore the forecast doesn't mean you weren't warned.
Posted on 10/3/24 at 1:56 pm to Obtuse1
Additive Manufacturing might be an answer. Marines 3d print a concrete reinforced bridge
Posted on 10/3/24 at 1:57 pm to Wishnitwas1998
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Lord knows how many flash flood watches/warnings I've been under in my life and not one of them has effected me in any way
You also have to remember that they aren't warning just for those people at home watching the weather from their living rooms. They have to account for people driving, working outdoors, in public spaces, sporting events, etc. All of those listed have different risk exposure that has to be accounted for.
Posted on 10/3/24 at 2:26 pm to OU Guy
I just bought 5 lbs of coffee from Stocking Mill Coffee. Let’s support those businesses that support us.
Posted on 10/3/24 at 2:40 pm to IMSA_Fan
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While the starlink service is free, you have to drop like $340 on the equipment - was not expecting that
If starlink would make the disaster policy permanent (say for 30 days after a storm) Here to Serve would gladly buy the equipment
But the monthly costs (and many months where we aren’t responding to a storm and the equipment is sitting idle) is too much for us to do. That money is better spent on food and supplies.
But it would be great if we added free WiFi for people and even phone charging stations it would be helpful.
Posted on 10/3/24 at 2:47 pm to alphaandomega
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If tweet fails to load, click here. I think the threat of Helene will linger for months to come. Heading into the wetest season for that area with all of that flow and new deposits will probably mean the chances for mud or debris slides will be present with any significant rains.
Posted on 10/3/24 at 2:56 pm to supadave3
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I just bought 5 lbs of coffee from Stocking Mill Coffee. Let’s support those businesses that support us.
FYI, his orders can take a few weeks so be prepared. He makes every order to order and it isn’t stocked. But its the best coffee I’ve ever had. I get the beans and have a nice grinder that holds a pound in the bin.
This is not his first time helping in disaster either. Did Kentucky floods. Hurricane in Florida west coast last year. Bought a vet an used SUV. A few years ago he took donations for a vet who died in service in Afgan and got a statue made in his hometown. His parents were just taken aback by him doing this. He buys equipment for disabled ex vet jumpers so they can be loaded in planes to experience that thrill again. He buys food trucks and other things for senior citizen vet centers during holidays.
He is not all talk he really does a lot. He could have a huge franchise in coffee but uses extra to help vets and people in need. His only store is in Daytona Beach, he bought an old McDonalds and spent a year making it his business home. Prior to that it was in Chesapeake VA.
I buy Privateer mostly (medium roast) but he has lots of options. He does unique runs randomly and has a connection to get certified Jamaican Blue Mountain. That shot is pure heaven. Expensive but his is cheapest in market.
Since he went to help floods his orders will be backlogged so it might even take longer. Just making you aware, its because he makes to order and will be behind.
Another tidbit about quality. When he moved from the VA store to FL, he wanted to double capacity. He had a chance to buy a double sized roaster cheaper than 2 of his existing ones. He chose 2 at higher cost to maintain his quality as bugger roasters lose some flavor.
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