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re: Helene - Recovery Begins...Devastating Flash Flooding in Western NC and Eastern TN

Posted on 9/25/24 at 3:36 pm to
Posted by Tarps99
Lafourche Parish
Member since Apr 2017
12694 posts
Posted on 9/25/24 at 3:36 pm to
quote:

With wind speeds of 90+, the uprooting of live oaks would be an issue, but also the snapping of the many large pine trees in town.


Oak trees and pine trees are some of the worst trees. For Ida I had one lay a branch on my roof. My neighbor’s pines either fell or they were stripped naked of their needles and bark in places. Luckily she got rid of them after the storm.

I would also add pecan trees can be pretty bad. I cut my pecan tree a few weeks before Zeta. Had I not cut it, it probably would have fallen on something.

Not to mention around this time pecans and oak trees can have little bullets that can fly every where in a storm if they have not fallen yet.
This post was edited on 9/25/24 at 3:37 pm
Posted by Hangit
The Green Swamp
Member since Aug 2014
46836 posts
Posted on 9/25/24 at 3:37 pm to
My buddy that lives 2-3 miles west of Wetumpka texted back. He said they had seen the projected path early, got battened down and supplied up. He's a tough old baw, 'neck through and through.
Posted by keks tadpole
Yellow Leaf Creek
Member since Feb 2017
8688 posts
Posted on 9/25/24 at 3:40 pm to
GFS Model Not to distract from the current situation, and granted its over a week out, but where is this Oct 6 situation coming from?
Posted by lsuman25
Erwinville
Member since Aug 2013
43295 posts
Posted on 9/25/24 at 3:40 pm to
RDS already said he will create a new thread for it whenever Helene gets out the way
Posted by tilco
Spanish Fort, AL
Member since Nov 2013
14480 posts
Posted on 9/25/24 at 3:42 pm to
I don’t pay much attention to the models but I’ve been watching this one for a while. Seems like the GFS loves to whip up storm scenarios.
Posted by lsuman25
Erwinville
Member since Aug 2013
43295 posts
Posted on 9/25/24 at 3:42 pm to
HH back in Helene
Posted by Bwmdx
Member since Dec 2018
3436 posts
Posted on 9/25/24 at 3:43 pm to
I imagine it would hurt taking a pecan at 100 mph+ to the noggin
Posted by lsuman25
Erwinville
Member since Aug 2013
43295 posts
Posted on 9/25/24 at 3:43 pm to
It's a viable thing though Euro and Cmc have been showing it on and off
Posted by TripleBarrelBluff1
Sin City
Member since Aug 2024
2430 posts
Posted on 9/25/24 at 3:45 pm to
I have a friend heading to louder than life in Kentucky right now. I would not want to be at a festival for the storms that come from this thing.
Posted by CuseTiger
Member since Jul 2013
9070 posts
Posted on 9/25/24 at 3:49 pm to
quote:

My buddy is about to take off from Fort Myers (RSW) headin here to Denver. They've already boarded and about to take off just in time.

He's not in for a fun flight right now, dodging thunderstorms left and right

LINK
Posted by reds on reds on reds
Member since Sep 2013
4952 posts
Posted on 9/25/24 at 3:52 pm to
quote:

I will never forget when we got back to Metairie after Katrina (2 weeks) and a deputy Sherriff stopped and said "if you don't have a gun get one". I had one and I kept it close by.


My dad and uncle were told the same thing. Also were told that if they had to use it then do so and move on with their lives.
Posted by friendlyobservation
Member since Mar 2024
5167 posts
Posted on 9/25/24 at 3:52 pm to
It has been doing this for awhile now several days. It's all over the place though. I think yesterday it had it as a fish storm. Definitely will have to watch it after this one though.
Posted by keks tadpole
Yellow Leaf Creek
Member since Feb 2017
8688 posts
Posted on 9/25/24 at 3:53 pm to
quote:

RDS already said he will create a new thread for it whenever Helene gets out the way

ok. haven't kept up with all the posts and i'm a novice at knowing which models are best at providing accuracy or fear-mongering.
edit: geez, i didn't mean to cause a furor.
This post was edited on 9/25/24 at 3:56 pm
Posted by East Coast Band
Member since Nov 2010
66950 posts
Posted on 9/25/24 at 3:55 pm to
One storm at a time.

We are dealing with OTers here.

Only time they can juggle two things at once is when the wives are nekkid
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
91838 posts
Posted on 9/25/24 at 3:56 pm to
Recon is in the storm and appears to be finding a rather broad core despite the continued pressure drop. The concern is that Helene can/will tighten up the core over the next 24 hours
Posted by friendlyobservation
Member since Mar 2024
5167 posts
Posted on 9/25/24 at 3:57 pm to
About the only thing you can gather from those models is it's something to watch. Impossible to know where it will be a problem.
Posted by lsuman25
Erwinville
Member since Aug 2013
43295 posts
Posted on 9/25/24 at 3:58 pm to
...HELENE STRENGTHENING... ...PREPARATIONS TO PROTECT LIFE AND PROPERTY FROM STORM SURGE AND DAMAGING WINDS ALONG THE FLORIDA BIG BEND COAST SHOULD BE RUSHED TO COMPLETION TODAY..
4:00 PM CDT Wed Sep 25
Location: 22.5°N 86.6°W
Moving: N at 12 mph
Min pressure: 978 mb
Max sustained: 85 mph
Posted by alphaandomega
Tuscaloosa-Here to Serve
Member since Aug 2012
17135 posts
Posted on 9/25/24 at 3:58 pm to
quote:


I imagine it would hurt taking a pecan at 100 mph+ to the noggin


About like the picture a few pages back that had hail damage on a golf course. Would not have wanted to be out in the open during that.
Posted by lsuman25
Erwinville
Member since Aug 2013
43295 posts
Posted on 9/25/24 at 3:59 pm to

Hurricane Helene Discussion Number 10
NWS National Hurricane Center Miami FL AL092024
400 PM CDT Wed Sep 25 2024

A ragged eye is becoming apparent in visible satellite imagery and
has also been observed in recent radar data from Cancun and western
Cuba. Based on the improved structure, the initial intensity is
set at 75 kt, which is at the high end of the satellite intensity
estimates. This is also supported by the earlier Air Force Reserve
reconnaissance mission, which measured a peak 700-mb flight-level
wind of 81 kt.

Helene has turned northward (355/9 kt) and is expected to
accelerate toward the north or north-northeast during the next
24-36 hours as it moves across the Gulf of Mexico and crosses the
Florida Big Bend coast Thursday evening. After landfall, the
system is forecast to interact with a deep-layer trough to the west
and turn northwestward with a decrease in speed over the Tennessee
Valley.

The environment appears primed for significant strengthening while
Helene moves across the Gulf of Mexico. The forecast track more or
less runs along the axis of the Loop Current during the next 24
hours, where ocean temperatures are about 30 degrees Celsius. In
addition, Helene will be moving through an environment of low
vertical shear and strong upper-level divergence. Some of the
Rapid Intensification (RI) indices, particular DTOPS, respond to
this environment by indicating at least a 90 percent chance of a
35-kt increase in intensity over the next 24 hours. The NHC
intensity forecast now shows an intensity of 115 kt (Category 4) at
24 hours, which is mirrored by several of the regional hurricane
models and the SHIPS guidance. It should be noted that additional
strengthening is possible beyond 24 hours before Helene makes
landfall Thursday evening.

Helene is forecast to be a large major hurricane when it reaches the
Big Bend coast of Florida. As a result, storm surge, wind, and
rainfall impacts will extend well away from the center and outside
the forecast cone, particularly on the east side. In addition, the
fast forward speed when Helene moves inland will result in a far
inland penetration of strong winds over parts of the southeastern
United States, including strong gusts over higher terrain of the
southern Appalachians. A higher-than-normal gust factor has been
indicated in the official forecast while Helene is inland.


KEY MESSAGES:

1. A catastrophic and deadly storm surge is likely along portions
of the Florida Big Bend coast, where inundation could reach as high
as 20 feet above ground level, along with destructive waves. There
is also a danger of life-threatening storm surge along the remainder
of the west coast of the Florida Peninsula. Residents in those
areas should follow advice given by local officials and evacuate if
told to do so.

2. Potentially catastrophic hurricane-force winds are expected
within the eyewall of Helene when it makes landfall in the Florida
Big Bend region late Thursday. Preparations to protect life and
property should be completed by early Thursday before tropical
storm conditions arrive. Damaging and life-threatening
hurricane-force winds, especially in gusts, will penetrate well
inland over portions of northern Florida and southern Georgia late
Thursday and Thursday night where Hurricane Warnings are in effect.
Strong wind gusts are also likely farther north across portions of
northern Georgia and the Carolinas, particularly over the higher
terrain of the southern Appalachians.

3. Catastrophic and life-threatening flash and urban flooding,
including landslides, is expected across portions of the southern
Appalachians through Friday. Considerable to locally catastrophic
flash and urban flooding is likely for northwestern and northern
Florida and the Southeast through Friday. Widespread minor to
moderate river flooding is likely, and isolated major river flooding
is possible.

4. Hurricane and tropical storm conditions are expected over
northeastern portions of the Yucatan Peninsula of Mexico this
evening where Tropical Storm and Hurricane Warnings are in effect.
Tropical storm conditions are occurring over portions of western
Cuba within the Tropical Storm Warning area, and hurricane
conditions are possible this evening within the Hurricane Watch
area. Helene will bring heavy rain to portions of the western
Caribbean with potentially significant flooding across western Cuba
and the northeastern Yucatan Peninsula into early Thursday.


FORECAST POSITIONS AND MAX WINDS

INIT 25/2100Z 22.5N 86.6W 75 KT 85 MPH
12H 26/0600Z 24.1N 86.2W 95 KT 110 MPH
24H 26/1800Z 27.4N 85.2W 115 KT 130 MPH
36H 27/0600Z 32.1N 84.6W 70 KT 80 MPH...INLAND
48H 27/1800Z 36.1N 86.0W 35 KT 40 MPH...POST-TROP/EXTRATROP
60H 28/0600Z 37.1N 88.1W 25 KT 30 MPH...POST-TROP/EXTRATROP
72H 28/1800Z 36.8N 88.7W 20 KT 25 MPH...POST-TROP/EXTRATROP
96H 29/1800Z 37.0N 88.0W 15 KT 15 MPH...
Posted by LegendInMyMind
Member since Apr 2019
75132 posts
Posted on 9/25/24 at 4:00 pm to
quote:

I have a friend heading to louder than life in Kentucky right now.

Good luck to him with that one.
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