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re: Heart Disease leading cause of death in america
Posted on 10/19/18 at 8:33 am to WaWaWeeWa
Posted on 10/19/18 at 8:33 am to WaWaWeeWa
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It’s not new science like these podcasters are trying to tell you.
wait, who are you calling "these podcasters"? Ron Krauss is not a "podcaster," nor is Peter Attia (he is a Stanford-trained surgeon/physician who happened to have started a podcast, on which he interviews leaders in nutritional-science fields; these are pseudo-science quacks, dude, c'mon). Nor is Tom Dayspring.
If we can get beyond the condescension, then what exactly do you want to see?
You mentioned mTor, right? are you calling David Sabatini a podcaster?
Are you calling Malcom Kendrick one too?
Do you think CVD isn't directly related to insulin resistance (not genetic or virus-caused CVD but atherosclerosis etc)?
What "meta-analyses" are you referring to specifically --by whom, of what?
This post was edited on 10/19/18 at 8:41 am
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Posted on 10/19/18 at 8:53 am to LSUballsack
something, something, acute angina
Posted on 10/19/18 at 8:56 am to McLemore
This is all explained in the magic pill documentary on Netflix.
It's not hard to reverse this trend but thanks to our government they keep pushing grains and sugar and like over half the posters in this thread, they will never see that a high fat and natural food diet will effectively fix every issue.
No the government knows best right?
This post was edited on 10/19/18 at 8:57 am
Posted on 10/19/18 at 8:57 am to soccerfüt
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acute angina
some are cuter than others
Posted on 10/19/18 at 9:10 am to Turftoe
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Disregard the disgusting amount of refined sugars Americans shovel down their throats. One of the biggest problems we face today is sugar.
We also take in far too much salt. My cardiologist told me the average healthy adult should have no more than 2,500 milligrams of sodium per day. But the average Alabamian takes in like 9,500 milligrams per day. I imagine the numbers are similar for Louisiana.
Posted on 10/19/18 at 10:01 am to McLemore
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What "meta-analyses" are you referring to specifically --by whom, of what?
The one study you linked in this thread is a meta analysis.
I’m just trying to figure out your argument. You said CICO isn’t very important. I think that’s ridiculous. That’s the MAIN problem. All these arguments about what percentage of carbs/protein/fat are minuscule (albeit real) if you don’t address the CICO problem.
You asked what would happen if we put someone on an fructose only diet? Fair enough. What would happen if we put someone on an saturated fat only diet? Probably nothing good, but what does that prove?
First, what is your argument? Mine is that total caloric intake is the biggest problem in this country. Not how much meat, not how much fat/protein, etc. etc.
Second, if you could choose 1 of the two hypothetical situations what would you pick:
1. Everyone has optimal CICO diet
2. Everyone has optimal ratios of carb/protein/fat (can be whatever McLemore thinks is best) but caloric intake continues to be the way it is.
You are telling me you wouldn’t pick option 1?
This post was edited on 10/19/18 at 12:49 pm
Posted on 10/24/18 at 3:52 pm to WaWaWeeWa
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And regular meats activate the mTor pathway and could accelerate aging and cancer as well.
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Do you have evidence to suggest otherwise?
The mTor pathway was always overblown - it does not accelerate the aging process and never will. Just because something can accelerate or use that pathway, doesn't mean it will i.e. see GNG being a demand driven system and not a supply driven system. Telemeres are found to be extended with meat-heavy diets.
Now, the evidence that meat causes cancer was always bad - like, terribly bad. The epidemiological evidence was, on avg, RR's of 1.12 for fresh meat and roughly 1.18 for processed meat. Now, the articles written on this will go "OMG, a 12-18% increase" when they take the RR numbers completely out of context. Those numbers shouldn't be considered evidence. Anything greater than 3 should be considered "weak" evidence, here we are a less than half that. Not even to mention that those epidemiological studies are based mostly on food questionnaires. "On avg, how many servings of meat did you eat per week in the past 6 months?" How can any question remotely accurate like that be considered reliable? I digress - Compare those RR's to that of, say, smoking and lung cancer. Those numbers run 30-120 in relative risks, a much higher standard of something we needed to look into.
Also, the WHO also used rat studies, 3 of those had pre-injected those rats with cancerous cells and determined meat caused cancer...The WHO, who determined meat was a probable cause for cancer, had over 800+ studies to review on colorectal cancer, called 29 of those "informative" while 14 of those found an "association" while the other 15 did not.
So yeah, the evidence itself is highly subjective/borderline political - no where near the standard of weak evidence.
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