- My Forums
- Tiger Rant
- LSU Recruiting
- SEC Rant
- Saints Talk
- Pelicans Talk
- More Sports Board
- Fantasy Sports
- Golf Board
- Soccer Board
- O-T Lounge
- Tech Board
- Home/Garden Board
- Outdoor Board
- Health/Fitness Board
- Movie/TV Board
- Book Board
- Music Board
- Political Talk
- Money Talk
- Fark Board
- Gaming Board
- Travel Board
- Food/Drink Board
- Ticket Exchange
- TD Help Board
Customize My Forums- View All Forums
- Show Left Links
- Topic Sort Options
- Trending Topics
- Recent Topics
- Active Topics
Started By
Message
re: Has 20% become the new standard for tipping?
Posted on 7/8/18 at 3:00 pm to TxTiger82
Posted on 7/8/18 at 3:00 pm to TxTiger82
quote:
Historically speaking, the American tipping system is a holdover from post-Civil War railroad service when black porters would carry your shite for "free" and hope for a tip. No reason that system needs to continue but it has.
pretty much every person I know who has worked in wait service would rather the tips, though
quote:
Just pay them a living wage
Posted on 7/8/18 at 3:01 pm to TxTiger82
quote:
Obviously, they would incorporate labor costs into the price of the food. I would prefer that, because at least the menu would reflect the actual cost of the food.
The customer then knows the actual price, and the waiter isn't dependent on the goodwill of the customers. Meanwhile, the restaurant breaks even. Seems like a win-win-win.
until the restaurant closes b/c people won't pay the increased costs
then it's a lose-lose for everyone
Posted on 7/8/18 at 3:01 pm to TxTiger82
quote:
However, it doesn't have to be that way. In fact, it shouldn't be that way.
Maybe not, so start a restaurant or a movement to change it.
It just seems like it's not a horrible system. Just for an example, if a restaurant has to pay their people some flat rate like $12/hour or something, that may get it done at low end places. But it will stink for the restaurant because during slow times they are paying that rate and eating cost.
With the current system, they busier it get's, the better the tips. If it's slow, tips suck. And better servers get the better shifts. Better servers work their way up at a place and then move to better places and serve better customers.
Posted on 7/8/18 at 3:03 pm to TxTiger82
One final comment before I (ironically) go out to eat.
Most service staff do not wait tables at pricey/successful restaurants with a constant flow of diners. Most servers get maybe 1-2 good shifts a week, but those get cancelled out by 2-3 shitty/slow shifts. This reduces their wages.
I would guess that like 90% of servers would make more money if the system changed to a living wage. And restaurants that can't afford it? Well they are destined to fail anyways, so bye.
Most service staff do not wait tables at pricey/successful restaurants with a constant flow of diners. Most servers get maybe 1-2 good shifts a week, but those get cancelled out by 2-3 shitty/slow shifts. This reduces their wages.
I would guess that like 90% of servers would make more money if the system changed to a living wage. And restaurants that can't afford it? Well they are destined to fail anyways, so bye.
Posted on 7/8/18 at 3:04 pm to tigerstripedjacket
I tip 20%. I can afford the extra $1. #OTballerstatus
Posted on 7/8/18 at 3:04 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:
until the restaurant closes b/c people won't pay the increased costs
Those are the restaurants that go under after a few months anyways. Bye.
Posted on 7/8/18 at 3:05 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:
pretty much every person I know who has worked in wait service would rather the tips, though
Cause waiting tables sucks and the only incentive to do the job and bust your arse doing it....is the tips.
The good servers that make good tips(because they bust their arse)...would quit and find another job if they were given an hourly wage. The only servers that wouldn't mind no tips...are the ones that suck at the job. They no longer have to work hard. They can do the bare minimum.
Posted on 7/8/18 at 3:08 pm to TxTiger82
quote:
Those are the restaurants that go under after a few months anyways. Bye.
Like a Claus Meyer restaurant?
quote:
In 2016, when the Danish restaurateur Claus Meyer opened his new-Nordic restaurant Agern inside New York City’s Grand Central Terminal, he decided that, in adherence to Danish tradition, the restaurant would not accept gratuities. Instead, Meyer set Agern’s prices high enough to be able to pay employees a living wage and provide them with benefits such as health insurance, matching 401(k)s, and paid parental leave—practices that are all but unheard of in the restaurant industry. Earlier this month, though, Meyer announced that Agern would abandon that so-called hospitality-included model in favor of a traditional tipping system, and that menu prices would decrease accordingly. In an e-mail, he told me that he felt that the policy had alienated certain diners and driven away needed business. “The wellbeing of our staff remains crucial to our corporate mission,” Meyer wrote, emphasizing that the restaurant’s progressive employee benefits would remain in place.
and all these places?
quote:
Meyer is not the first restaurant owner who has tried, and failed, to challenge the American tipping custom. Over the past five years, dozens of restaurants have experimented with alternatives, including the popular Seattle restaurants Dahlia Lounge and the Walrus and the Carpenter; Bar Agricole, in San Francisco; and eleven New York restaurants in Danny Meyer’s Union Square Hospitality Group. (A Reddit thread on the subject lists more than two hundred establishments in North America that do not currently accept tips.) In the past two years, though, many have quietly returned to accepting gratuities. The casual-dining chain Joe’s Crab Shack tried eliminating tipping at eighteen of its locations in 2015, only to restore the practice at fourteen of them half a year later. Bar Agricole has reinstated tipping, as have Le Pigeon and Little Bird, in Portland, Oregon. In New York, David Chang opened Momofuku Nishi as a gratuity-free establishment, in January, 2016, but by the time summer came around he had decided to accept tips. Tom Colicchio also experimented with a gratuity-included model during lunch services at Craft, but he gave it up after a year. Some restaurant owners have cited trouble attracting and retaining front-of-house staff as the reason for their change of course, but the most common explanation has been the same as Claus Meyer’s: losing tips meant losing business.
Posted on 7/8/18 at 3:08 pm to lsunurse
The good servers that make good tips(because they bust their arse)...would quit and find another job if they were given an hourly wage. The only servers that wouldn't mind no tips...are the ones that suck at the job. They no longer have to work hard. They can do the bare minimum.
Posted on 7/8/18 at 3:09 pm to TxTiger82
Sounds good on paper, but what would that do to prices? At a decent restaurant a lunch plate can run 15 plus. So now we would pay $20 for lunch? And how much would you pay a server? I couldn't imagine anyone would do it for less than around $10/hr. Imagine how great the service would be when the server knows the pay is guaranteed and not based on how they perform per table. It may take15 minutes to refill that tea.
Posted on 7/8/18 at 3:10 pm to tigerstripedjacket
Double the tax, round up or down to nearest dollar.
Posted on 7/8/18 at 3:10 pm to lsunurse
quote:
find another job if they were given an hourly wage.
McDonalds pays an hourly wage
obviously it's not just having an "hourly wage". it's the amount of that hourly wage compared to what they make with tips
Posted on 7/8/18 at 3:10 pm to lsunurse
quote:
The good servers that make good tips(because they bust their arse)...would quit and find another job if they were given an hourly wage.
Agreed. If you started paying people $10 per hour and removed tips people would just quit and go run a cash register. The incentive for providing good service is the theoretical uncapped income potential.
This post was edited on 7/8/18 at 3:11 pm
Posted on 7/8/18 at 3:14 pm to tigerstripedjacket
What in the F is the OT’s deal with tipping? I’ve never seen so many threads and responses on one subject as I have with this one. It’s weird.
Posted on 7/8/18 at 3:17 pm to Mike da Tigah
At least it's not the same stupid "do you tip at Sonic" thread.
Guys driving $40K trucks and $30K boats who waste tons of money on dumb crap bitching about a few dollars on a tip.
Posted on 7/8/18 at 3:18 pm to fallguy_1978
quote:
Agreed. If you started paying people $10 per hour and removed tips people would just quit and go run a cash register.
Exactly. Why should I run around serving tables if I was gonna be paid the same amount checking groceries at a grocery store or Target? Or running the register at a clothing store (where I don't have to smell like food when I get off work)?
For some reason...nothing brings out the trashiness of some people quite like going out to eat at a sit down restaurant. Some get a kick out of being borderline rude to servers there. Letting the "customer is always right" mentality go to their heads and enjoy their little power trip where they get to bark orders and have someone comply. Servers put up with that crap cause they know they also will serve normal people that tip well.
Take away the potential for tips related to their level of service....no reason to deal with all that crap.
Posted on 7/8/18 at 3:21 pm to Isabelle81
I mean, roughy 17% of the population doesn’t tip at all. Go up 10% on prices pay your employees a decent wage and keep racism out of this.
Posted on 7/8/18 at 3:24 pm to lsunurse
People saying end tipping are either 1) short sided or 2) retarded (and going by this boards history I'm leaning more towards 2). By going to a straight wage system, when you dine at prime time you'll be paying not only for when you are there, but also the slow times when no one is there, but the server is being paid. That would turn a $12 plate into probably around an $18 plate. So unless you tip 50% it's bad for you as the consumer.
Posted on 7/8/18 at 3:26 pm to Imtheonly1
quote:
Go up 10% on prices
That's not at all how this would work. You're tripling you're labor expense just to get to minimum wage (which is less than you'll have to pay) yet you only want a 10% increase in price.
Please learn me on how that'll work.
Posted on 7/8/18 at 3:28 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
It would also really suck for career servers at fine dining places.
Those servers have worked their way up with several years of experience to be able to work at very nice restaurants. Some of those places may even require all their servers to be trained sommeliers.
Those servers have worked their way up with several years of experience to be able to work at very nice restaurants. Some of those places may even require all their servers to be trained sommeliers.
Popular
Back to top
Follow TigerDroppings for LSU Football News