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re: Graphic video released from shooting of two Tulsa Police Officers
Posted on 9/15/20 at 2:42 pm to GoHoGsGo06
Posted on 9/15/20 at 2:42 pm to GoHoGsGo06
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So the two cops could not easily handle the shooter. Yes, I agree the shooter is the one who is in the wrong here. But why can’t the two cops keep him detained from a safe distance while they wait on more police backup? Put spikes or a lock under front and back tires so he can’t (successfully) leave the scene. I just don’t understand the urgency or manner in which these two police officers who were outmanned/strength have to arrest this guy by themselves ASAP. Just wait for back up. It was probably like a minute or two away and they could have safely neutralized this guy instead of having to fight him by themselves where they were obviously outmatched.
I support the blue, but some of the protocols could be updated to safely handle situations better. I truly believe today’s criminals are different than the 1950s -60s when I am sure most police procedures were developed. People do not care these days. The amount of neck tattoos in society tells us this.
Let's work through this. They used intermediate non-lethal weapons to try to minimize the amount of force used and the possibilities of hurting themselves and the suspect. A+ on following policy even though the policy is jacked up and doesn't help cops. Everyone wants the cops to just rip the doped up driver out of the car in retrospect since they know he had a gun and killed a cop but I've seen this board blow up when cops pull out "unarmed" drivers for noncompliance. You can't have it both ways. Leftist use of force policies are partially to blame here.
You want the cops to "detain him from a distance" AKA not be able to fully see what he is doing in the car (remember he ended up having a gun). So more cops come, he now has a gun in his possession which now out of view of officers after he shuts the doors. The original cops and the backups are now walking up to an ambush. You also want them to lean in front of the car to "spike it" or "block it off"...so many obvious safety problems with this. I also think you underestimate how many cops are just hanging out close by waiting to assist and how busy big cities are at night.
Cops, trainers, and researchers spend hours upon hours figuring out best practices and working through scenarios in training. A few things are pretty clear, never let the suspect out of your sight or let them reach for anything and the sooner you can secure the suspect the better unless he's armed in a fortified position.
The easy answer is there is no easy answer and that's why being a cop is a shite job with shite hours, pay, management and support.
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Posted on 9/15/20 at 2:42 pm to thatthang
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Why is Biden responsible for this shite storm we're in?
Because the point is it's not Biden, it's his party. And his party is 100% to blame for all of this happening right now.
Only one party is encouraging this.
Only one party is making excuses for this.
Only one party is refusing to hold these people accountable at the state and local level.
Only one party is calling for defunding the police.
Only one party is calling for even less-than-lethal tools to be removed from all police officers.
What do you think happens if this same party now controls the Presidency?
This post was edited on 9/15/20 at 2:44 pm
Posted on 9/15/20 at 2:42 pm to tiggah1981
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really weak job of getting him out of the car and not protecting your firearm if he in fact used it against them
Try getting someone out of a vehicle. It ain’t easy. The angle plus leverage and steering wheel give huge advantage to the person in the vehicle.
Posted on 9/15/20 at 2:43 pm to thatthang
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I assure you that I'm much more capable than the guy who wrote that, and yourself, in seeing the ills that afflict us. You see, I can look at all sides of an issue and assign blame all across the spectrum. People like you are only capable of screaming about the half of the problem. But anyway, why don't you enlighten us? Why is Biden responsible for this shite storm we're in?
It’s not Biden directly, it’s the Democratic Party and their state and city leaders actively supporting unlawful rioting and looting by BLM and ANTIFA during this time. This is their doing, not Trump’s. If you want to get technical and say that it’s happening while he is in office, then this is “Trump’s America”. Then, you’re just making it about semantics instead of causation.
Posted on 9/15/20 at 2:44 pm to GoHoGsGo06
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So the two cops could not easily handle the shooter. Yes, I agree the shooter is the one who is in the wrong here. But why can’t the two cops keep him detained from a safe distance while they wait on more police backup? Put spikes or a lock under front and back tires so he can’t (successfully) leave the scene. I just don’t understand the urgency or manner in which these two police officers who were outmanned/strength have to arrest this guy by themselves ASAP. Just wait for back up. It was probably like a minute or two away and they could have safely neutralized this guy instead of having to fight him by themselves where they were obviously outmatched.
Guy escapes and murders innocent people "WhY dIdN't ThEy StOp HiM!"
I'm pretty damn anti-police, but some of you guys make me look like Joe Arpaio.
This post was edited on 9/15/20 at 2:46 pm
Posted on 9/15/20 at 2:46 pm to Klark Kent
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How so?
Trump is our president, Biden is not. The method to Trump's madness is stirring the pot and forcing uneducated American voter's into thinking they have this false choice of picking between one of two equally insane positions. His goal is to erase a middle ground. In this climate, as you have seen, the idiots all across the board are empowered and we have the worst racial unrest and anti-establishment movements since the 60's. Now, I wouldn't even blame this murder on either man because, again, I'm not an idiot who speaks in absolutes. I'm saying if we must choose between the two men, obviously you have to go with the guy who's in power.
A better question is why would you blame this on Biden?
Posted on 9/15/20 at 2:46 pm to RLDSC FAN
This is the first time I have actually been afraid to watch such a video.
I watched half and backed out.
WTF man?
I watched half and backed out.
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David Ware is accused of shooting the officers, and his attorney has said from day one that parts of the initial affidavit were wrong and, as a result, Ware was painted in the worst light.
WTF man?
Posted on 9/15/20 at 2:47 pm to Centinel
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Only one party is encouraging this.
Only one party is making excuses for this.
Only one party is refusing to hold these people accountable at the state and local level.
Only one party is calling for defunding the police.
Only one party is calling for even less-than-lethal tools to be removed from all police officers.
Exactly
Posted on 9/15/20 at 2:47 pm to RLDSC FAN
aint watching. i'm eating and i aint getting my blood pressure up after work.
Posted on 9/15/20 at 2:48 pm to FLObserver
i guess there is a worse video out but that Twitter video isn't too bad fwiw dude. i usually hate these things but it wasn't as bad as I thought it would be
Posted on 9/15/20 at 2:48 pm to The Torch
Deploy the military to where? Every street in America? Sounds like a great idea.
Posted on 9/15/20 at 2:49 pm to RLDSC FAN
at 1:44 you can see him reach for the gun inside the car.
Posted on 9/15/20 at 2:49 pm to thatthang
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But anyway, why don't you enlighten us? Why is Biden responsible for this shite storm we're in?
In my earlier response to the Biden part of the comment.....it's not that he is responsible....it's that it will remain just like this if he is elected. The Dems are refusing Trump's help right now. Literally not allowing him to send help with the riots. Once elected, the gloves will come off and these riots will stop.
Posted on 9/15/20 at 2:51 pm to DatNolaClap
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Deploy the military to where? Every street in America? Sounds like a great idea.
Wouldn’t be necessary if the behavior hadn’t been allowed and enabled.
Posted on 9/15/20 at 2:53 pm to Centinel
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And his party is 100% to blame for all of this happening right now
One again, speaking in absolutes. You seem like a reasonable guy but I think anytime anyone says it's 100% the other side, anything that person says has to be taken with a huge grain of salt. Do not mistake me for a leftist Marxist, I hate all those bastards, antifa, etc. I just prefer a more nuanced discussion that 'us good, them bad.'
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What do you think happens if this same party now controls the Presidency?
I don't have a crystal ball, but perhaps things return to normal? This question almost seems to imply we've never had a dem president before.
Posted on 9/15/20 at 2:55 pm to DatNolaClap
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ONLY ON 8: Sister of accused police killer David Ware says brother acted in self-defense
WHAT
THE
frick
LINK
frick ALL OF THESE PIECES OF shite
Posted on 9/15/20 at 2:56 pm to SouthEndzoneTiger
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In my earlier response to the Biden part of the comment.....it's not that he is responsible....it's that it will remain just like this if he is elected
Fair enough, that's your opinion. I don't think it's really supported by facts but I respect differences in opinions. Antifa folks certainly have no workable vision for the country.
By the way, I'm not downvoting all these responses. I appreciate the banter.
Posted on 9/15/20 at 2:56 pm to thatthang
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I don't have a crystal ball, but perhaps things return to normal? This question almost seems to imply we've never had a dem president before.
The only way things would return to normal is if the narrative changed. Who controls the narrative?
Posted on 9/15/20 at 2:57 pm to thatthang
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One again, speaking in absolutes
Name one thing I said that is not factual.
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but I think anytime anyone says it's 100% the other side
Because in this case it categorically is.
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I just prefer a more nuanced discussion that 'us good, them bad.'
There is no nuance to be had. There is only the actions and inactions of the local and state members of one specific party that are allowing this to occur and fester.
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I don't have a crystal ball, but perhaps things return to normal?
No, what were local and state policies are now pushed as national policies.
This post was edited on 9/15/20 at 2:59 pm
Posted on 9/15/20 at 2:58 pm to Carson123987
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at 1:44 you can see him reach for the gun inside the car.
He also glances towards it a couple of times. He was definitely thinking about getting the gun throughout the incident.
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