re: Grandparents, if your son or daughter in law stopped you from talking or seeing your grand

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Witholding grandkids is a very childish move.

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Shitty parents usually make shitty grandparents.

I know my sister won't leave her children alone with my father and step mother. She won't cut him out, but she controls access tightly. He (and step mother) drinks a lot, and my sister is concerned about the kids. One time the younger of children started wailing on the way home from something, and my step mother told the child (about 5) to get out and walk home if she couldn't stop crying. They actually stopped the car and made the kid get out of it.

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I get that what I meant was wants to do so much for the kids. Be involved when she sees them. Problem I have is she doesn’t talk to my mom, my wife, me and wasn’t talking to my sister and brother in law until it was said she needed to so it would be normal at workplace. When you look at it, she is the common on in all of this everyone else gets a long great

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Take an English course lol

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Maybe the brother agrees with the wife because of all the shite the Mom has done over the years has earned her this ousting from the family.

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This. Before everyone dogpiles on the brother and sister-in-law, maybe there is a reason for what is going on. Sometimes appearances can be deceiving. There are a lot of narcissistic and toxic grandparents from that generation that appear wonderful to outsiders or one side of the family, but don't show that side to everyone, thus leading everyone to believe it is not them that is causing strife.

My brother's mother in law has absolutely been accurately described as one of the most caring people in the world who would do anything for anyone. She has an incredibly kind heart, she loves fiercely.



HOWEVER>>>>>>>the other side of the story is that she does all of these things with an expectation of something in return, she is incredibly unstable emotionally, she has zero coping skills, she is highly emotionally manipulative, she loves to be a victim. They haven't and don't plan to cut her off, but they've considered it. Sometimes her shite is just too much to handle and could very possibly be detrimental to my niece and nephew down the road without appropriate boundaries.

So....loving, sweet, and caring....are not mutually exclusive with f*cking nuts.