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Posted on 5/27/16 at 9:08 am to Cold Drink
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. The latter is worse
No it isn't
Posted on 5/27/16 at 9:09 am to Kujo
It's a pointless and meaningless bill. Louisiana already automatically tags the first degree murder charge to someone killing a cop or fireman.
More bullshite and posturing from JBE.
More bullshite and posturing from JBE.
Posted on 5/27/16 at 9:10 am to Kujo
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Gov Edwards signs "Blue Lives Matter" Bill: Hate crime to attack the police
NAACP melt in three, two, one...
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Meanwhile, the head of the Louisiana NAACP described the bill as a "knee jerk" reaction to the Black Lives Matter movement. "Laws like this to me tend to divide because now you're going to separate. Now it's like Black Lives Matter and Blue Lives Matter. Now we've got this contest going on and it's just not helpful," said Ernest Johnson, President of the Louisiana NAACP.
Posted on 5/27/16 at 9:12 am to Bard
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Laws like this to me tend to divide because now you're going to separate. Now it's like Black Lives Matter and Blue Lives Matter. Now we've got this contest going on and it's just not helpful," said Ernest Johnson, President of the Louisiana NAACP.
Posted on 5/27/16 at 9:13 am to Barf
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Good question. I know for a fact if you gently teep a drunk off duty cop at the south downs parade who's threatening you, they charge you with assaulting a police officer.
Make no mistake about it, this law will get abused at some point.
It will be abused a shite load. They already abuse the shite out of the "resisting arrest" charge. Now they'll just tack this bullshite charge on top of that.
Posted on 5/27/16 at 9:14 am to rintintin
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Why do some blatant murders have to be categorized as worse than others?
Perhaps some lives are more useful to state leaders than others?
Posted on 5/27/16 at 9:16 am to rintintin
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All murder is a "hate" crime (with a few exceptions like defense)
Well then it wouldn't be a mirder if it's in self defense
Posted on 5/27/16 at 9:21 am to Five0
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FWIW, hate crimes criminalize thought and all of them are bull$hit.
Not by itself. If you don't act in a criminal way, there is no crime. Murders have been categorized by "thought" for a long time (e.g. premeditated, hot blooded, criminally negligent, etc.) with different punishments based on the state of mind or "thoughts" of the murderer as evidenced by his actions. Hate crime is an extension of that, a completely unnecessary extension, but a mere extension nonetheless.
Posted on 5/27/16 at 9:22 am to Kujo
Yay! More laws!!!
Posted on 5/27/16 at 9:25 am to LSU1NSEC
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Seems like this type of law will make people even more leery of interacting with police.
Hood rats have no concept of law. Giving increased prison sentences for harming a cop or using a gun in a crime doesn't deter them at all.
Posted on 5/27/16 at 9:26 am to Darth_Vader
My favorite is when people are only charged with resisting arrest after it's all said and done.
Posted on 5/27/16 at 9:27 am to rintintin
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All murder is a "hate" crime
I disagree. A whole lot of murders in a certain segment of the "culcha" is more of a "meh crime". They just don't give a shite.
Hate takes energy. That's energy they need for excessive celebrations, tearing down statues, making lot's of noise in situations that normally are more reserved, energy needed to shout at the movie screen, energy to stand in the middle of the street,energy to keep pulling up their sagging pants. Ain't nobody gots energy fo dat.
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Posted on 5/27/16 at 9:31 am to Black n Gold
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"Hate crimes" are unconstitutional FWIW.
I think a good argument could be made that they are in fact unconstitutional.
Posted on 5/27/16 at 9:45 am to Kujo
Need a no lives matter law. No one's life is more important than the other and they all go to jail.
Posted on 5/27/16 at 10:01 am to heypaul
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Aren't all crimes hate crimes?
Of course not. Most aren't.
Posted on 5/27/16 at 10:47 am to biglego
These are the crimes of which can be conducted in "hate"
Reference: HB953
Although I don't whole-heartedly agree with the law in all aspects, but if you pick out about 80% of those crimes I'm fine with it.
It gets fishy when "battery" comes up. Battery is described as "intentional touching;
the touching must be harmful or offensive;
no consent from the victim.". With this definition I'm fine with it. If you want to break a law in doing anything to a uniformed police officer, you should be held to a higher standard. I hate cops as much as the next person, but there are still some that have a positive mind set, and usually do their job to the best of their abilities. Just like in everything else (think racism) the majority of shitty people give a bad rep to the minority that are doing good.
This law doesn't make resisting an officer a hate crime, unless you hit him. There will be tons of BS cases where relatively innocent people are going to be skrewed, but you can insert the OT's favorite saying here: "play stupid games, win stupid prizes"
All cops are in a position of authority, and most are on a power trip. Treat them the way you would want to be treated in that situation and 99.9% of the time you will walk away just fine.
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first or second degree murder; 16 manslaughter; battery; aggravated battery; second degree battery; aggravated assault 17 with a firearm; terrorizing; mingling harmful substances; simple or third degree rape, 18 forcible or second degree rape, or aggravated or first degree rape; sexual battery, 19 second degree sexual battery; oral sexual battery; carnal knowledge of a juvenile; 20 indecent behavior with juveniles; molestation of a juvenile or a person with a 21 physical or mental disability; simple, second degree, or aggravated kidnapping; 22 simple or aggravated arson; communicating of false information of planned arson; 23 simple or aggravated criminal damage to property; contamination of water supplies; 24 simple or aggravated burglary; criminal trespass; simple, first degree, or armed Page 1 of 2 CODING: Words in struck through type are deletions from existing law; words underscored are additions. HB NO. 953 ENROLLED 1 robbery; purse snatching; extortion; theft; desecration of graves; institutional 2 vandalism; or assault by drive-by shooting
Reference: HB953
Although I don't whole-heartedly agree with the law in all aspects, but if you pick out about 80% of those crimes I'm fine with it.
It gets fishy when "battery" comes up. Battery is described as "intentional touching;
the touching must be harmful or offensive;
no consent from the victim.". With this definition I'm fine with it. If you want to break a law in doing anything to a uniformed police officer, you should be held to a higher standard. I hate cops as much as the next person, but there are still some that have a positive mind set, and usually do their job to the best of their abilities. Just like in everything else (think racism) the majority of shitty people give a bad rep to the minority that are doing good.
This law doesn't make resisting an officer a hate crime, unless you hit him. There will be tons of BS cases where relatively innocent people are going to be skrewed, but you can insert the OT's favorite saying here: "play stupid games, win stupid prizes"
All cops are in a position of authority, and most are on a power trip. Treat them the way you would want to be treated in that situation and 99.9% of the time you will walk away just fine.
Posted on 5/27/16 at 10:54 am to Kujo
This is so fricking retarded.
All this will do is affect the constituency he panders to the most - blacks.
Hell, wasn't he trying to raise the criminal age to 18 because it was disproportionally "detrimental" to black kids that were committing crimes?
All this will do is affect the constituency he panders to the most - blacks.
Hell, wasn't he trying to raise the criminal age to 18 because it was disproportionally "detrimental" to black kids that were committing crimes?
Posted on 5/27/16 at 10:54 am to Darth_Vader
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It will be abused a shite load. They already abuse the shite out of the "resisting arrest" charge. Now they'll just tack this bullshite charge on top of that.
Without a doubt.
Posted on 5/27/16 at 10:56 am to Ric Flair
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So when an undercover cop grabs some underage drinker and he shoves him away (without knowing he's a cop), and they throw in the battering a police officer charge, is that going to be a hate crime as well
Probably. This is a really stupid law.
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