Started By
Message

re: Google has a plan to disrupt the college degree

Posted on 8/22/20 at 7:59 am to
Posted by OweO
Plaquemine, La
Member since Sep 2009
119955 posts
Posted on 8/22/20 at 7:59 am to
I was thinking about how can college football be offered away from the traditional institutions just because in todays world it seems like colleges and universities are a broken system.

Its good to see that there will be another avenue for people to get "official" education.

Posted by EarlyCuyler3
Appalachia
Member since Nov 2017
27290 posts
Posted on 8/22/20 at 8:16 am to
quote:

And it’s shocking that the comrades at Google want to deprive people of that indoctrination.




How is it shocking? They want to dominate every avenue they can and generate piles of cash.

Some of y'alls political dogma leads you into really silly statements.
Posted by lostinbr
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2017
12577 posts
Posted on 8/22/20 at 10:48 am to
quote:

I’m all for a well rounded degree program

This isn’t directed at you, but I always wonder how many of the people bitching about the “liberal arts” part of a college education actually have college degrees. It seems like there are a lot of folks out there who think the majority of college students are taking classes in Women’s & Gender Studies.

Here are LSU’s current general education requirements:
1) English Composition - 6 semester hours
2) Analytical Reasoning (Math) - 6 semester hours
3) Arts - 3 semester hours
4) Humanities - 9 semester hours
5) Natural Sciences - 9 semester hours
6) Social Sciences - 6 semester hours

That’s it. 39 credit hours. And of those 39 hours, 21 hours are in fricking English, Math, and Natural Sciences. Surely nobody is arguing that chemistry is leftist propaganda. So what’s left is 18 hours (6 classes) between Arts, Humanities, and Social Sciences. 18 out of the 120-130 total credit hours required for a bachelor’s degree.

I, like many others, filled those requirements with classes like history of jazz, economics, and political science. The closest thing I had to any sort of indoctrination was an ethics class I took as a humanities elective. The philosophy professor that taught it was pretty flamboyant. But it was a great class. Even if I can’t, as an engineer, recite the differences between deontological ethics and virtue ethics, I found the course to be pretty eye-opening. Being exposed to the conflicts between different methods of defining “right” and “wrong” helped me understand why every decision is a compromise.

These types of realizations are why a well-rounded education matters. Did it make me a better technical engineer? No. But it absolutely made me a better manager/decision-maker.
Posted by Bigbee Hills
Member since Feb 2019
1531 posts
Posted on 8/22/20 at 11:01 am to
quote:

The truth is unless your degree is from a major that still has value (Stem degrees for the most part) its probably not worth going to college.

I went back to college in my mid-20s after the Great Recession had, like many other degrees and certificates at the time, rendered my once in-demand AAS in Civil Engineering Technology junior college degree insufficient. Before The Recession began to groan and creak, let alone bust wide arse open, my chosen AAS had a proven, vetted, decades-long track record of employing 98%+ of its graduates with well-paying Civil Engineering Technician positions, as well as solid Land Surveying internships across the Southeast. When I graduated out of a class of over 20 students we had 2 individuals obtain positions. (And one of those two people was the first female to graduate from the program in almost a decade, and the only reason she got a job -and this was a well known, common knowledge fact- was because the individual who headed up a now defunct GIS program at a nearby D2 university got his dick sucked by her on the evening that our program toured the facilities for recruiting purposes.)

I worked for a few years in a field not related to my degree, and after I'd had enough of that, I decided to do the unthinkable and go back to school - a university, Mississippi State- and major in Ag Engineering and Business with a concentration in Geomatics and Land Surveying. Aside from being sick of my job, what spurred me to go back was that during the peak of the Recession and our (my classmates and I) desperate, futile search for a position, the recruiters, HR people, engineers and surveyors' really only had 1 answer for us on the subject of being able to compete with CEs and experienced or licensed surveyors who were, at the time, applying for the same CETech jobs and beginning surveying positions that we were applying for: Go and get a 4 year degree and when we'd finished the economy would hopefully be turned around and we'd have more qualifications to boot. (To their credit, nobody at the time had any answers to what in the hell anybody ought to be doing except praying they're not next on the chopping block.)

With my Ag engineering and business curriculum, I had to obtain a minor in business that I didn't want, so obviously I took a lot of business classes as a part of my core curriculum. Furthermore, I'd take these business classes as electives when they were made available because the classes were so easy. I wanted to GTFO ASAP, so anytime I could load up with 18+ hours a semester while not being stretched too thin (because I was still working), then I'd do it. (Mind you, that many hours a semester only came with the dean's written permission to do so; we can't have you finishing too quickly now son.) Unlike the 18 year old sitting next to me in class, I kept a close eye on the debt; all the while I became increasingly disgruntled with the ruse and scheme that is higher education, and its ridiculous curriculum requirements being force-fed to students in half-arse English by incompetent instructors, professors and support personnel who had very little understanding of the working world outside of academia and how it functioned: I had many wonderful professors and instructors (many of which I still talk to today), and so not all of them were this way, but to anyone with an inkling of livin' under their belt, it was crystal clear to see that the whole system was designed to suck as much time (i.e., money) out of the student in order to maximize the revenue from said student. Every semester counts for the school regarding their cash cow (the student), and every attempt was made -all the way down to the bitter end- at attempting to bring as many of us back for postgraduate degrees as they could. After all, to paraphrase a Ted Talk I watched one time, "The goal of the universities is not what they say it is, i.e., to educate and prepare professionals to enter and contribute to their professional fields, but instead what it has become is a factory with a production goal of making as many professional students as possible, and that's not how it was supposed to be."

In any case, the "caliber" of the student body in many of those business classes- especially the ones who were majoring in general business, outdoor adventures, bagpiping, decision sciences, women's studies, etc.- was, at best, laughable. They either had no business being in higher education, or they had no business being in the degree program they were in, or, usually, both.

"How, OH HOW, was little Kappa Sig Johnny going to study for- let alone PASS- that brutal 3 page multiple choice exam on Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs and still make the frisbee tourney on the drill field at 5 and the mixer at 7?"

There was always a running joke in my engineering department that if you wanted to know who had actual job prospects and options upon their graduation, then go and look out over the Drill Field during a class change: The kids who were throwing frisbees and shooting the shite were not like the ones who were head down, studying notes, earphones in, and hauling arse across campus to their next STEM class.

And it was true- still is.
quote:

We’ll tell that to all the 50-80 year olds who told their kids they wouldn’t make it without a college degree.
And this is the biggest travesty of it all: Somewhere along the way those 50 to 80 year olds had their britches leg rolled up and pop culture, the media, the universities, the government- SOMEBODY- told them this was the case, and then they parroted it as the gospel truth to the children who went to college and had a little studying with their fun instead of the other way around. They wound up being the fall guy for the biggest hoax that this modern day country has ever seen, and one that is continuing on uninterruptedly with business as usual right up under our noses while the streets continue to fill up with those same vermin who thought college and adult life was all about them and what they want instead of holding the damn line like big boys and girls.

After all, they did what they were told, so it's somebody else's fault, right? That's the gist of the whole kit and caboodle with Antifa and Occupy WS, isn't it? That somebody lied to us and "it" is "their" fault, so we're gonna tear this bitch down and start anew.

And they're partly right in that they were lied to, but where they're gravely wrong is that they're tearing down the wrong part of the society that actually caused their anger and angst, and they're missing the overall general point of being alive: "It" is "life," and "it" is a bitch. You get lied to, played with, schemed on, you fail, you suffer, you hurt...and then you die. You will not escape that fate, so deal with it, don't be a bitch about it, and don't make everyone else who's on the same boat with you even more miserable, because this much is certain: Regardless of the intensity of the tantrums you throw, the lies that your parents were told and that they and the universities, etcetera told you aren't coming true in your lifetime, and life won't ever stop being a bitch- you can bet your little degree in "queer musicology" on that one.

So yeah, frick the university Ponzi scheme.

TLDR: I digress.
Posted by mule74
Watersound Beach
Member since Nov 2004
12443 posts
Posted on 8/22/20 at 12:20 pm to
quote:

These courses, which the company is calling Google Career Certificates, teach foundational skills that can help job-seekers immediately find employment. However, instead of taking years to finish like a traditional university degree, these courses are designed to be completed in about six months.



Glad to hear it. This seems like a real solution to the problem. Not encouraging every American kid to go to college and get largely worthless degrees that wrapped up tens of thousands of dollars of debt.

I have argued for a long time that we need an apprenticeship style system. Let kids who are 18 and coming out of high school try different careers, and find the one that they like. By 21 they could be working full-time without any debt.

It takes me six months to get all the college out of every kid that we hire. And even if they have a major in my field, we basically have to retrain them from scratch anyway.

I don’t think that more than 20% of Americans should be going to full-time, classical education universities. There is value, and having people who have knowledge about many subjects. However, we don’t need nearly as many of them as we currently have.
This post was edited on 8/22/20 at 12:21 pm
Posted by lostinbr
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2017
12577 posts
Posted on 8/22/20 at 1:03 pm to
quote:

And this is the biggest travesty of it all: Somewhere along the way those 50 to 80 year olds had their britches leg rolled up and pop culture, the media, the universities, the government- SOMEBODY- told them this was the case, and then they parroted it as the gospel truth to the children who went to college and had a little studying with their fun instead of the other way around.

This is an interesting point. And the root cause is, I suspect, is WW2:

Parents have sought to give their children a better life than their own throughout the history of mankind. I think most people from poor families hope that their children will grow up in the middle class. Most people from middle class families hope that their kids will grow up wealthy. The last thing any parent wants is for their children to have a life worse than their own. It’s natural as a parent - you have the life experience to know what adversity you had to overcome, so you seek to reduce that adversity for your children.

For most of America’s history, a college education was basically a guarantee that you would always have opportunities. So if a kid was smart enough to go to college, you did everything you could to make that happen. So that’s one factor - more on that later.

The other thing people forget is that pre-WW2 America was not the economic superpower that it is today. Hell, you could argue that America was in shambles for most of the century prior to WW2, with the exception of a brief period in the 1920’s. The Civil War and its aftermath (Reconstruction) set the country back decades compared to our peers. Things finally got better and then, boom - Black Tuesday happens and we’re in the Great Depression.

Roosevelt made some headway, but WW2 changed everything - the US turned into an industrial giant overnight. Then the soldiers came home. The G.I. Bill allowed them to attend college on the government’s dime. If you grew up in the Great Depression, living in a time when a college education virtually guaranteed stability, and Uncle Sam offered you a free ride - what would you do? Over 2 million WW2 veterans went to college using G.I. Bill benefits. The number of college degree holders in the US doubled in the ~10 years after the war. Later on, the Korea and Vietnam GI Bill benefits put another 6+ million Americans through college.

Remember that WW2 vets are the generation that produced the Baby Boomers. They had a ton of kids. So from the 50’s and 60’s you have a much higher percentage of the population holding college degrees than pre-war, which causes several things to happen:
1. It puts more pressure on others to get degrees in order to compete for jobs, because there are more college degree-holders than there are jobs that really require college degrees.
2. Remember that thing I said about all parents wanting their kids to have a better life? Well now more of these parents are college graduates AND they are having kids at a really high rate.
3. These parents grew up in the Great Depression, so they have even more incentive to push their kids to be “successful.”

From that point on, it’s a snowball effect. Each subsequent generation sees a larger percentage of the population holding college degrees, lowering the ceiling for those without one. Only now, 4 generations later, are you finally starting to see the population come to realize that we’ve created a bit of a monster. But it will take many years (or a huge, sudden increase in labor demand) to reverse course.

TL;DR - the G.I. Bill is probably the biggest reason you need a college degree to manage a fast food joint in 2020.
Posted by Bristol Dawg
God's Country
Member since Jul 2016
2934 posts
Posted on 8/22/20 at 1:12 pm to
That’s cool. They already have a platform if the merge with LinkedIn’s https://www.lynda.com
Posted by USMEagles
Member since Jan 2018
11811 posts
Posted on 8/22/20 at 1:14 pm to
quote:

Pretty sure companies will accept whatever training path provides them with they type employees they need for the least amount of money, hiring decisions are based on economics.


In hiring people, though, I've definitely seen a correlation between higher education and success. There are a lot of self-taught computer programmers out there, and the field is probably the least education-obsessed field where you can make decent money working for someone else. Still, I'll take someone with a CS degree from Georgia Tech over a self-taught genius every time.
Posted by Oilfieldbiology
Member since Nov 2016
41182 posts
Posted on 8/22/20 at 1:22 pm to
quote:

make the college degree a sign of education (not job training) again!


As they were intended to be Job training should take part as apprenticeships, internships, formal in the job training.

quote:

institution of higher learning," also "body of persons constituting a university," from Anglo-French université, Old French universite "universality; academic community" (13c.), from Medieval Latin universitatem (nominative universitas), "the whole, aggregate," in Late Latin "corporation, society," from universus "whole, entire" (see universe). In the academic sense, a shortening of universitas magistrorum et scholarium "community of masters and scholars;"

Etymonline link
Posted by chrome_daddy
LA (Lower Ashvegas)
Member since May 2004
2451 posts
Posted on 8/22/20 at 2:02 pm to
Dammit...in the thread so late.

I tell my young teenage boys all the time: I'll give you a huge down payment on a house if you just let me teach you programming - you don't need college!!!

Part 1 would be basic programming training - I can provide lots of that.
Part 2 would be training for specific environments.
Part 3 would be taking on small contract jobs.

I taught programming at the college level as an adjunct for 10 years.

I have access to free Pluralsight and Udemy classes via work. Awesome technical training. And many companies selling new online / cloud platforms (like Salesforce, etc.) and robotics technology provide free technical training.

There are any number of sites online you can take on small projects to build your resume.

As a developer manager these days, a degree is great but experience is much more valuable.

Now if I can just get them to listen - they could be making bank by the time they are 18!
Page 1 2 3 4 5 6
Jump to page
first pageprev pagePage 6 of 6Next pagelast page
refresh

Back to top
logoFollow TigerDroppings for LSU Football News
Follow us on X, Facebook and Instagram to get the latest updates on LSU Football and Recruiting.

FacebookXInstagram