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Posted on 12/1/22 at 8:18 am to RealDawg
Change order ?
Posted on 12/1/22 at 11:07 am to Upperdecker
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I don’t think a net under the bridge would have made the difference here. Do you?
Maybe it being not so easy to just stop and jumps off would deter most, some or even one.
Will it stop someone from suicide that has it in their mind to take their own life, maybe, no probably not, but it might stop them for that one instance where they lose all hope, and maybe that one time when they decide not to do it that day is the one time that they need to realize that there are many who people love them and seek the help they need.
As far as $400M, anyone who have experiences this wouldn't think that's too much. Especially considering the billions that are wasted in government across this country every year.
Posted on 12/1/22 at 11:08 am to HTX Bayou Bengal
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Won’t they simply just go to a different bridge now?
they'll cross that bridge when they come to it
Posted on 12/1/22 at 11:10 am to RealDawg
$400M to jump off the Bay Bridge instead.
Posted on 12/1/22 at 11:16 am to mahdragonz
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I made the mistake of watching the movie The Bridge about suicides on the Golden Gate Bridge.
I don't regret of lot of things, but that's one of them. I still can't shake the wrong feeling of it.
Any more detail you can provide for those of us who have not watched and do not plan on it?
Posted on 12/1/22 at 11:21 am to DCtiger1
quote:most mentally ill people won't seek help they'll just jump. how will that 400 million save those people without the net?
Imagine what 400 million could do to address mental health vs a net to catch a mentally I’ll person that can then jump out of said net and into the water below.
Posted on 12/1/22 at 11:22 am to Byron Bojangles III
quote:you think they are just going to jump into the net if they are trying to commit suicide or find another place to jump?
most mentally ill people won't seek help they'll just jump. how will that 400 million save those people without the net?
ETA: said differently, will bridge nets reduce the overall suicide rate or just the location/methodology of suicides?
This post was edited on 12/1/22 at 11:25 am
Posted on 12/1/22 at 11:24 am to RealDawg
Just slap more bandaids on the situation instead of addressing root causes.
Posted on 12/1/22 at 11:25 am to mahdragonz
There is a documentary on Netflix about a guy over in China who spends every day trying to pull jumpers off of a bridge.
Angel of Nanjing
Angel of Nanjing
This post was edited on 12/1/22 at 6:07 pm
Posted on 12/1/22 at 11:25 am to RealDawg
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San Francisco bay has been the site of nearly 2,000 suicides
There are 7 bridges over San Francisco Bay... How many lives do they realistically expect this to save?!
Magic money machine goes Brrrrrr....
Posted on 12/1/22 at 11:30 am to Privateer 2007
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$400 million
1.7 miles
20 ft wide
Both sides
$400 million/(5280(ft/mile) x 1.7(miles) x 20(wide) x 2 (sides))
$1114 per SQ ft for the net.
I can hear the rep spewing his bull shite "you know with everything going on, covid...inflation. it is the best we can do"
Posted on 12/1/22 at 11:40 am to Byron Bojangles III
Tell me logically how a net will save anyone from killing themselves?
Posted on 12/1/22 at 11:48 am to lsu13lsu
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Any more detail you can provide for those of us who have not watched and do not plan on it?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bridge_(2006_documentary_film)
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The film was inspired by a 2003 article titled "Jumpers", written by Tad Friend for The New Yorker magazine. The film crew shot almost 10,000 hours of footage, recording 23 of the known 24 suicides off the bridge in 2004.
…The four-second fall from the Golden Gate Bridge sends a person plunging 245 feet (75 m) at 75 miles per hour (121 km/h) to hit the waters of the San Francisco Bay "with the force of a speeding truck meeting a concrete building." Jumping off the bridge holds a 98 percent fatality rate; some die instantly from internal injuries, while others drown or die of hypothermia.
In his article for The New Yorker, Tad Friend wrote, "Survivors often regret their decision in midair, if not before", supported by survivor Ken Baldwin explaining, "I instantly realized that everything in my life that I'd thought was unfixable was totally fixable—except for having just jumped."
… The first jumper caught with the telephoto lens was not behaving as filmmakers expected—crying and weeping—but, rather, was jogging, talking on his cellphone and laughing; he then suddenly put his things away and leaped to his death. During filming, on average, one person jumped off the Golden Gate Bridge every 15 days
The film also shows many people being saved from jumping. In one case a woman traversed the upper railing to the lower railing only to be pulled by her collar back to safety by an unrelated photographer. Filmmakers tried in each case to intercede when they could, succeeding in preventing six jumps. The crew members were trained in suicide prevention prior to filming, and had their phones programmed to call the bridge authority if they suspected someone was about to jump. "All of us came to the same conclusion that we were human beings first and filmmakers second", Steel said. However, in most cases there was either no warning or no time to prevent the jump.
They filmed one guy walking around for 90 minutes who just jumped. They couldn’t be experts, but they were filming for a reason as well. They also interviewed some families without telling them they had suicide on film.
Publicity of suicides on bridge pushes more to attempt it on bridge and this film after it was released did as well. I am sure they would have attempted elsewhere. If going to do it anyway maybe it’s better on bridge than copying taking out multiple other people before committing suicide by cop or just doing it themselves after killing others.
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… In the 1970s, the city's newspapers sparked "countdowns" as the death toll closed in on 500 recorded fatalities. Television crews covered the scene as bridge officials managed to stop 14 prospective jumpers, among them a man with a sign reading "500" pinned to his T-shirt. The media frenzy was even more intense in 1995 as the total drew close to 1,000. The body of the 1,000th victim, a 25-year-old who was seen jumping, remains unrecovered.
…Kyle Gamboa, a high school student from Fair Oaks, California, skipped school in September 2013 to jump off the bridge, yelling "Yahoo!" as he leaped to his death. The New York Times reported he had watched the trailer for The Bridge repeatedly. His suicide note read, "I'm happy. I thought this was a good place to end."
This post was edited on 12/1/22 at 12:35 pm
Posted on 12/1/22 at 12:00 pm to RealDawg
Wonder if they'll be sued if the suicide net malfunctions.
Posted on 12/1/22 at 12:06 pm to RealDawg
quote:With the cost of living there, that doesn't surprise me
San Francisco bay has been the site of nearly 2,000 suicides since it opened in 1937, including 25 last year alone.
Posted on 12/1/22 at 12:06 pm to DCtiger1
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Imagine what 400 million could do to address mental health vs a net to catch a mentally I’ll person that can then jump out of said net and into the water below.
Reminds me of one of my favorite poems.
The Ambulance Down in the Valley
'Twas a dangerous cliff, as they freely confessed,
Though to walk near its crest was so pleasant;
But over its terrible edge there had slipped
A duke and full many a peasant.
So the people said something would have to be done,
But their projects did not at all tally;
Some said, "Put a fence 'round the edge of the cliff,"
Some, "An ambulance down in the valley."
But the cry for the ambulance carried the day,
For it spread through the neighboring city;
A fence may be useful or not, it is true,
But each heart became full of pity
For those who slipped over the dangerous cliff;
And the dwellers in highway and alley
Gave pounds and gave pence, not to put up a fence,
But an ambulance down in the valley.
"For the cliff is all right, if you're careful," they said,
"And, if folks even slip and are dropping,
It isn't the slipping that hurts them so much
As the shock down below when they're stopping."
So day after day, as these mishaps occurred,
Quick forth would those rescuers sally
To pick up the victims who fell off the cliff,
With their ambulance down in the valley.
Then an old sage remarked: "It's a marvel to me
That people give far more attention
To repairing results than to stopping the cause,
When they'd much better aim at prevention.
Let us stop at its source all this mischief," cried he,
"Come, neighbors and friends, let us rally;
If the cliff we will fence, we might almost dispense
With the ambulance down in the valley."
"Oh he's a fanatic," the others rejoined,
"Dispense with the ambulance? Never!
He'd dispense with all charities, too, if he could;
No! No! We'll support them forever.
Aren't we picking up folks just as fast as they fall?
And shall this man dictate to us? Shall he?
Why should people of sense stop to put up a fence,
While the ambulance works in the valley?"
But the sensible few, who are practical too,
Will not bear with such nonsense much longer;
They believe that prevention is better than cure,
And their party will soon be the stronger.
Encourage them then, with your purse, voice, and pen,
And while other philanthropists dally,
They will scorn all pretense, and put up a stout fence
On the cliff that hangs over the valley.
Better guide well the young than reclaim them when old,
For the voice of true wisdom is calling.
"To rescue the fallen is good, but 'tis best
To prevent other people from falling."
Better close up the source of temptation and crime
Than deliver from dungeon or galley;
Better put a strong fence 'round the top of the cliff
Than an ambulance down in the valley.
-- Joseph Malins (1895)
ETA...in my opinion...mental healthcare is the fence, and the safety net is the ambulance.
This post was edited on 12/1/22 at 12:08 pm
Posted on 12/1/22 at 12:18 pm to RealDawg
We should just hire snipers to take out these would be jumpers and not let them kill themselves
Posted on 12/1/22 at 12:22 pm to Blutarsky
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Does it do anything except deter them from jumping off that bridge and going to kill themselves elsewhere?
The net idea has been around for a long time and I remember once hearing that there was opposition to it because the thinking was that many of these people would simply find a more dangerous or annoying way of killing themselves - such as jumping off a building and potentially landing on an innocent pedestrian walking down the sidewalk.
When I lived in DC I commuted to work using the Metro subway train. Several times a year you would get stuck on a train somewhere for several hours because a suicidal person threw themselves in front of a train somewhere and it gummed up the whole system. It was frustrating and an expensive problem the impacted the entire local workforce. One of the problems is that DC has an ordinance that no building can be taller than the Washington monument, so "jumpers" are often deterred by the fear they might survive the fall. And also, buildings are much harder to access in DC due to heightened security protocols. So people commit suicide by train diving. San Fran has the BART metro system and they don't want this problem impacting them.
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