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re: Georgia shooter was given an AR - 15 for Christmas from his father!
Posted on 9/5/24 at 9:17 pm to LegendInMyMind
Posted on 9/5/24 at 9:17 pm to LegendInMyMind
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tailspin.
It’s cute you keep typing this
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Posted on 9/5/24 at 9:18 pm to Porpus
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Children shouldn't have guns. I say this as a man who has long thought Antonin Scalia was too far left on the 2A. There's nothing in the Constitution that gives rights to children, and I don't care about your heartwarming hunting-with-Peepaw story. Children shouldn't hold a firearm any more than they should hold a bottle of liquor or a spoon full of cocaine, and the sooner we admit it the better.
Why not? I got my first gun when I was 8. Learned to shoot. Didn't get the gun without my dad's permission and new darn well the consequences for doing so. Grew up in a house with a gun rack above the couch. Knew not to touch them. Knew what what happen if I did. So I didn't. Same with grandparents... they had guns... gun racks... shells... in every bedroom on the walls. We didn't touch it.
We don't have a gun problem... we don't have an access to guns problem. We have a people problem and a parenting problem. This kid was messed up in the head and his parents knew it and did nothing. That part is on them. But no matter what had happened to this kid in the past... you don't go shooting up schools. Never happened back when every car in the school parking lot had guns in the back windows/seats/trunk...whatever.... when the kids in the school could likely have held off a small countries army on any given day during hunting season. Not a gun problem. A people problem. A parenting problem, plain and simple.
Posted on 9/5/24 at 9:18 pm to Chad504boy
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Have you learned them the appropriateness of not bringing it to school or work and shooting 30 people? It’s important for them to learn this.
Posted on 9/5/24 at 9:22 pm to Chad504boy
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It’s cute you keep typing this
Well, you are known for them.
Posted on 9/5/24 at 9:23 pm to Nolalakeview
If that is the shooter at younger ages a lot of bad happened and/or went wrong for this kid between the pics above and now. Both parents may not have started out being shitty but ended being crappy parents and need to be held accountable.
Arrest pic below
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Colt Gray, the baby-face Georgia school shooting suspect who is charged with murdering two classmates and two teachers, grew up in a broken and neglectful home, which police and child services visited on a regular basis, a former neighbor and landlord tell The Post.
His mother, Marcee, 43, has a lengthy rap sheet with drug and domestic violence arrests. And his father Colin, 54, allegedly bought his troubled son an AR-15 rifle for Christmas — and now faces charges of his own for supplying the weapon used in the shooting.
Lauren Vickers, who lived next-door to the Grays in Jefferson, Georgia, said there were “problems immediately” when the Grays and their three children moved into the well-manicured neighborhood 60 miles east of Atlanta in 2022.
“There were nights where the mom would lock him and his sister out the house. And they would be banging on the back door, just screaming like ‘Mom! mom! mom!’ and crying. It was absolutely devastating,” she said.
… Her rap sheet includes domestic violence, drug possession, property damage and various traffic violations, including driving under the influence charges. She also faced civil fraud charges over the purchase of a used vehicle, and was locked up in Ben Hill County as recently as April.
This post was edited on 9/5/24 at 9:39 pm
Posted on 9/5/24 at 9:23 pm to LegendInMyMind
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Well, you are known for them.
sly guy backdooring the cuteness again.
Posted on 9/5/24 at 9:24 pm to Nolalakeview
I’m all for 2nd amendment. Hell I never leave my house without my 9 but come on now.
Posted on 9/5/24 at 9:26 pm to dallastigers
Holy Hell the dad looks like Chipper Jones.
This post was edited on 9/5/24 at 9:32 pm
Posted on 9/5/24 at 9:27 pm to SteelerBravesDawg
Is the standing kid the shooter?
Posted on 9/5/24 at 9:27 pm to fallguy_1978
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I'm not arguing in favor of the father, especially given the kid's history, but I definitely was gifted firearms when I was that kid's age or younger - 30/30 rifle, 20 gauge shotgun etc. Not an AR-15 necessarily, but I don't think a high school kid or even younger being given a firearm as a gift is all that uncommon in rural areas or with hunters etc.
That’s the beginning of a slippery slope that anti-gun, white people are automatically bad type of people turn a deaf ear towards. It’s pretty simple, if states are going to continue the trend of charging the parents of school shooters because of a lack of parenting, or the lack of a give-a-frick, then it has to go both ways. Any child being gunned down is horrible, but kids killing each other in the streets happens everyday, and it happens every day VS a school shooting that doesn’t happen everyday. That’s a conversation a lot of people don’t want to have because of personal responsibility. Personal responsibility doesn’t care about skin color, economic status, or any other made up hardship. If the parents of a white school shooter can be arrested, then the same goes for a parent of a kid in the streets that kills someone. The justice system in this country isn’t equal, and it hasn’t been for a long time, and that’s the problem. Depending on what state you reside, any upcoming elections, or the general political feel within the country have and will continue to determine the outcome from the justice system.
Posted on 9/5/24 at 9:28 pm to gizmothepug
Son lived with mom. Why is mother not arrested for the parenting of the 14 yr old who had an ar15 and brought it to school?
Posted on 9/5/24 at 9:29 pm to The Mick
Yeah I believe so
Posted on 9/5/24 at 9:29 pm to MemphisGuy
I'll say this and leave you all to debate it. I said the same with the Michigan case and the Virgina case with the 6 year old who shot his teacher (that one was a black kid and mother, so Atticus knows it has gone both ways).
If your minor child commits a crime, any crime, with a firearm from your home that the child otherwise wouldn't have had if not for your purchase and failure to secure said firearm you, as the parent or legal guardian, should face criminal liability. If the crime warrants it, you should serve prison time.
And so that Atticus doesn't have to type another treatise, this should apply to all children and parents/legal guardians, regardless of location, race, socioeconomic standing, type of victim(s), etc.
Now, have at it.
If your minor child commits a crime, any crime, with a firearm from your home that the child otherwise wouldn't have had if not for your purchase and failure to secure said firearm you, as the parent or legal guardian, should face criminal liability. If the crime warrants it, you should serve prison time.
And so that Atticus doesn't have to type another treatise, this should apply to all children and parents/legal guardians, regardless of location, race, socioeconomic standing, type of victim(s), etc.
Now, have at it.
Posted on 9/5/24 at 9:29 pm to Chad504boy
Both parents should be arrested.
Posted on 9/5/24 at 9:30 pm to Chad504boy
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sly guy backdooring the cuteness again.
Was there a second shooter on the the school water tower? Maybe a Bigfoot?
Posted on 9/5/24 at 9:31 pm to LegendInMyMind
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Given the situation, you don't allow a kid who has made these type threats in the recent past free access to any gun.
Exactly. Not a BB gun. Hell, not even a water pistol. What a fricking a-hole.
Posted on 9/5/24 at 9:32 pm to gizmothepug
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It’s pretty simple, if states are going to continue the trend of charging the parents of school shooters because of a lack of parenting, or the lack of a give-a-frick, then it has to go both ways.
I mean it’s not simple a lack of giving a frick. In both this case and the Michigan case, it’s them literally handing the kids the firearm they used to commit the crime. Against the advice of professionals (in Michigan, counselors and here the FBI). That’s the piece that makes it hold up to the legal threshold.
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Any child being gunned down is horrible, but kids killing each other in the streets happens everyday, and it happens every day VS a school shooting that doesn’t happen everyday.
Sure, but who do you charge in that case? Now if you have direct evidence the parents gave the kids killing each other the firearms then you’re good to go. But good majority of the time those kids are being supplied by fellow gang members. And we’re generally already trying to go after the gang members at this point.
Posted on 9/5/24 at 9:33 pm to LegendInMyMind
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Was there a second shooter on the the school water tower? Maybe a Bigfoot?
Now we have tailspinning folks.
Posted on 9/5/24 at 9:33 pm to Chad504boy
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Now we have tailspinning folks.
That was you, bud.
Posted on 9/5/24 at 9:34 pm to LegendInMyMind
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If your minor child commits a crime, any crime, with a firearm from your home that the child otherwise wouldn't have had if not for your purchase and failure to secure said firearm you, as the parent or legal guardian, should face criminal liability. If the crime warrants it, you should serve prison time.
The ones that get me are the ones where a 4-5 year old picks up a gun laying on a coffee table and shoots their sibling. But then the owner of the gun who left it unlocked and loaded almost never gets charged unless the state has very specific laws against it.
This post was edited on 9/5/24 at 9:35 pm
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