re: Georgia Attorney General Asks For DOJ Probe Into Handling Of Ahmaud Arbery Case

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Liberal media doin work

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What?

I assume the media got the jogging thing from his family, no?

I think it'd be hard for them to start openly doubting the jogging narrative without more, and I don't really expect them to do that. That's a pretty big limb to go out on regarding the victim of a crime based on internet sleuthing.

I do think an honest media could fairly report that questions are being raised as to whether Arbery was jogging as originally reported, and how that's interesting because so much focus has been on the jogging element (memorial jogs, etc.) but that so far there is nothing definitive to discount the original report. They won't, of course, and will present the jogging narrative as undeniable fact even if very credible questions are raised about it.

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Sure it’s relevant to their state of mind. Did they think he was jogging in the wrong neighborhood or running from an attempt at a crime? If it’s the former, it’s first degree. If it’s the latter, it would presumably be something else.

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It doesn't matter what they "thought," which is subjective; it (only potentially) matters what they "reasonably believed," which is objective. And even if they can prove some reasonably held belief about AA, they still have to show that their actions were reasonable under the circumstances and good luck with that.

Regardless, it simply doesn't matter whether AA was just jogging or even if he looked suspicious. It's none of their damn business what he was doing. At any rate it's pretty clear the reason he was running was because he was trying to run away from them. He was basically being hunted and he was probably scared they'd shoot him or something.

I'll try to find it. It was in the first massive thread on this when the video got leaked.

ETA: McMichael senior also claims he saw him jogging through the neighborhood the night before in his statements to the police.

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I haven't seen that so if there is a credible account that he frequently jogged through the street, I think that's reasonably compelling.

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Lauren Bennett, 26, said she attended high school with Arbery and would regularly see him jogging through their Fancy Bluff neighborhood of low-slung homes and trees draped in Spanish moss. A runner herself, she would wave to him, she said, and was impressed by his dedication as he pounded the pavement on days when she was too exhausted.

"I always thought he was training for something," she said.

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I cannot comprehend why the entire collective media and populace gives a frick about this one isolated incident where a couple of morons killed a possible moron.

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I think many people (myself included) view this as a story about nepotism and the good ole boy network. If the McMichaels has been arrested immediately, I wouldn’t give 2 shits about this story. But hearing that the officers on the scene wanted to arrest them and were told to stand down by the first DA, and that the second DA tried to make it go away as well.. this type of stuff pisses me off.

It makes you wonder whether this would have just gone away if the media hadn’t gotten a hold of it. It makes you wonder how often local authorities cover up for their buddies, whether it’s an ex-cop in Georgia or some rich girl in Louisiana.

Secondary to that, it feels like the collective bar for “self defense” keeps getting lowered, and I think it’s a terrible precedent if a civilian can initiate a confrontation and then claim a homicide was justifiable.

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Regardless, it simply doesn't matter whether AA was just jogging or even if he looked suspicious. It's none of their damn business what he was doing.

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It does matter because of statements like this:

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He was basically being hunted

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You have lots of people saying that black people can't go for a jog because they are being hunted in the streets because of their skin color and painting this as a hate crime. If there is evidence that he wasn't just jogging but participated in suspicious behavior that's corroborated by the McMichaels statements, the jogging narrative doesn't hold up and this is not a hate crime.

It doesn't matter if he was jogging or not when it comes to determining if their actions were justified. It's irrelevant in that case.

Regardless of that poster's intent, there is a very loud narrative about this case being a lynching, a hate crime, etc.

So I don't really see how someone can honestly say that Arbery's activities aren't relevant for that conversation.

And those answers may not be definitive. It could be true that Arbery was casually looking for stuff to take, and also that the perps were motivated by racial animus. But if we're going to have some societal conversation about this (it's going to be forced on us) then it seems silly to argue some information should be excluded from that conversation.

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He was basically being hunted and he was probably scared they'd shoot him or something.

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I usually run towards people that are hunting me when I’m afraid they’re gonna shoot me.

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I disagree, I don't think that poster meant hunted because of his skin color. Only that he was hunted down. I think it's fair wording. Chased by a vehicle, continued to be chased after changing his path, then blocked by a vehicle and armed civilians.

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That's fair, and maybe I shouldn't have quoted him on that part. It's just that the word "hunted" often comes with certain implications.