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re: Georgia Attorney General Asks For DOJ Probe Into Handling Of Ahmaud Arbery Case

Posted on 5/11/20 at 8:48 am to
Posted by Ingeniero
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2013
23018 posts
Posted on 5/11/20 at 8:48 am to
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Does this constitute murder? No. There's no way to prove intent and that seems unlikely.


If they're found guilty of aggravated assault then it's possible for them to be found guilty of murder as well:

quote:

GA Code § 16-5-1

(c)A person commits the offense of murder when, in the commission of a felony, he or she causes the death of another human being irrespective of malice.
Posted by TheCaterpillar
Member since Jan 2004
76774 posts
Posted on 5/11/20 at 8:48 am to
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Burglar got caught by neighbors, fled the scene when police were called, assaulted a white guy and attempted to steal his gun, got a well deserved cap in his arse. And it is all on video.

Case closed.


Geez.

This case isn't like many of the others BLM has used as a platform. These guys are guilty AF.
Posted by QJenk
Atl, Ga
Member since Jan 2013
17587 posts
Posted on 5/11/20 at 8:54 am to
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I'm serious, there is zero evidence of this and the media just ran with it.



Technically speaking, there is not zero evidence that he was jogging. 911 calls state there was a black man running in the neighborhood. The Mcmichaels state they saw him running in front of their house. On the shooting video, he was seen running on the street.

Whether he was running for excercise, or running for another reason, we do not know completely. But it is pretty obvious that he was running in the neighborhood.
Posted by TheCaterpillar
Member since Jan 2004
76774 posts
Posted on 5/11/20 at 8:56 am to
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It’s crazy you still believe he was just “jogging”



This point is just irrelevant and is being held onto by racists to defend these murderers.

The video of him in the construction site has been released and he doesn't even steal anything. I walk around houses being built in my neighborhood all the time. Even the homeowners of this house said what happened was wrong.

Posted by drdoct
Atlanta, GA
Member since Oct 2015
1609 posts
Posted on 5/11/20 at 9:03 am to
I seriously doubt Arbery was just some random jogger. I'm sure that part is fabricated to make him appear like an innocent choir member. I haven't heard where he lives or anything other than he was just jogging in this random neighborhood. Did he live in the neighborhood or very close? None of that really matters but it plays to the narrative I see all my black friends posting about 'Hard to be a black man in America', etc. Of course the media will seize the day on the ONE time this legit happened.

As a conceal carrier in Georgia, you have to be aware of these types of situations. When do you have the right to use your firearm to kill another person. It's something everyone should consider if they carry or have quick access to a firearm. I don't believe the father and son will get out of this shooting with anything other than murder. Not sure on which degree or if they get lethal injection for it, but you aren't allowed to create a situation where someone has to defend themselves and call it self defense. It doesn't matter if Arbery was on that property or even in it. The law is fairly lenient on what classifies as self defense, but the video is very damning towards their case.
Posted by Proximo
Member since Aug 2011
24154 posts
Posted on 5/11/20 at 9:07 am to
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This point is just irrelevant and is being held onto by racists to defend these murderers.



It makes one racist to want the media to present the facts rather than stoke racial tensions? There are two things we know:

1. The kid was murdered and the rednecks should face the consequences
2. He was not an innocent boy going for a jog, and we all know what the media’s false presentation of the case is designed to do
Posted by BluegrassBelle
RIP Hefty Lefty - 1981-2019
Member since Nov 2010
108014 posts
Posted on 5/11/20 at 9:10 am to
Good. The McMichaels did not meet the standard (per the police report, their statements, or Georgia law) to engage in a citizen’s arrest. At the very least, this should have gone to a grand jury with the first DA to let the people decide whether charges should be pursued.

It’s very clear the first two DAs were covering for a former law enforcement buddy and his kid. Who knows what else they’re swept under the rug.
Posted by baybeefeetz
Member since Sep 2009
32838 posts
Posted on 5/11/20 at 9:14 am to
Wow, what a bunch of dumbasses we have in this board. You post statistical evidence and people don’t like it.

I wasn’t saying these guys are innocent.
Just saying black people don’t jog.
Posted by Proximo
Member since Aug 2011
24154 posts
Posted on 5/11/20 at 9:16 am to
Honestly, I don’t see the issue with the recusals but with the caveat that the second DA’s letter is indefensible.

The first DA—one of the men worked in her office, she likely wouldn’t want the defense attorneys making a fuss about that in public or otherwise. The second was asked by the family to recuse himself. Again, what’s the issue? I don’t know the details of the investigation itself by LEO and not giving an opinion about that
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299716 posts
Posted on 5/11/20 at 9:16 am to
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This point is just irrelevant and is being held onto by racists to defend these murderers.


That's quite an accusation.
Posted by TheCaterpillar
Member since Jan 2004
76774 posts
Posted on 5/11/20 at 9:18 am to
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Honestly, I don’t see the issue with the recusals but with the caveat that the second DA’s letter is indefensible.



Agree. Recusals make sense here.

That letter was abhorrent however.
Posted by JohnnyKilroy
Cajun Navy Vice Admiral
Member since Oct 2012
41092 posts
Posted on 5/11/20 at 9:18 am to
No one really cares about the jogging narrative here except for those who are just bleating about muh media. Given the facts that are available, whether AA was out for "just a jog" or not is really irrelevant to the crimes that have been charged to the McMichaels.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299716 posts
Posted on 5/11/20 at 9:21 am to
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It makes one racist to want the media to present the facts rather than stoke racial tensions?


Yeah, it's a very lazy way to argue a point. It gets tiring.

People legit see the world in very different ways, it doesn't necessarily mean they are racist.
Posted by JohnnyKilroy
Cajun Navy Vice Admiral
Member since Oct 2012
41092 posts
Posted on 5/11/20 at 9:22 am to
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Again, what’s the issue?


The issue is the first DA instructed police not to make any arrests even though the officers on the scene who spoke to all of the witnesses believed they had probable cause. That's issue number 1.

Issue 2 is that the second DA seems to have just sat on it for a while and then improperly writes a letter giving his tainted opinion to the 3rd DA.

It looks like the 3rd DA hadn't gotten around to it yet, or perhaps was about to impanel a grand jury, but the video gets leaked and he says frick all this mess I need the state to step in and handle this clusterfrick.
This post was edited on 5/11/20 at 9:25 am
Posted by BobbyLenMoore
London
Member since Oct 2015
138 posts
Posted on 5/11/20 at 9:23 am to
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Did I say that? It’s pretty clear ole homie was trespassing on that property. But to act like 2 citizens can track somebody for a few minutes, cut him off brandishing guns and then when the guy tries to fight his way through he gets shot and killed and anyone thinks that’s self defense


Any imperfection is an excuse to justify the murder of a black persons in the eyes of many people on this board.

Sadly.

These are the same people that glee over and support American terrorist engaging in warfare with federal agents in Oregon. Or believe that people that believe their right to get a bit to eat at dennies is more important than the greater public health of the country.

Just say the loud part out loud — someone people are less than equal, and you don’t believe they deserve equal protection under the law. Because none of your beliefs, actions, or statements contradict my previous sentence.
This post was edited on 5/11/20 at 9:24 am
Posted by Mo Jeaux
Member since Aug 2008
63723 posts
Posted on 5/11/20 at 9:24 am to
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This point is just irrelevant and is being held onto by racists to defend these murderers.



Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299716 posts
Posted on 5/11/20 at 9:25 am to
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Any imperfection is a excuse to justify the murder of a black persons in the eyes of many people on this board.


This rationale is as stupid as the "trespasser deserves it" line.

Posted by QJenk
Atl, Ga
Member since Jan 2013
17587 posts
Posted on 5/11/20 at 9:29 am to
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Wow, what a bunch of dumbasses we have in this board. You post statistical evidence and people don’t like it.

I wasn’t saying these guys are innocent.
Just saying black people don’t jog. ?


Because bs article is bs. How are you gonna tell me, a black man, that I or neither anyone I know is a liar when we say we jog.
Posted by baybeefeetz
Member since Sep 2009
32838 posts
Posted on 5/11/20 at 9:37 am to
Sure it’s relevant to their state of mind. Did they think he was jogging in the wrong neighborhood or running from an attempt at a crime? If it’s the former, it’s first degree. If it’s the latter, it would presumably be something else.

Posted by baybeefeetz
Member since Sep 2009
32838 posts
Posted on 5/11/20 at 9:39 am to
Statistical improbability provides reason to doubt, regardless of your hurt feelings.
This post was edited on 5/11/20 at 9:39 am
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