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re: Gentrification, good or bad... Thoughts?
Posted on 4/2/16 at 6:54 am to bcoop199
Posted on 4/2/16 at 6:54 am to bcoop199
What is going to prove interesting is if the cities start trying to drop all the areas they annexed chasing white folks out in the burbs. Long term when the groups finish inverting some cities are going to look back and realize how stupid that strategy was.
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Posted on 4/2/16 at 6:56 am to TexasTiger1185
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When a locally owned coffee shop becomes a Starvucks, or a little antique shop becomes an Apple Store or a longtime owned corner store becomes some kind of yuppy juicing froyo BS, you lose some of the culture.
I am seeing just the opposite in Nola.. Go try and eat at a McDonald's in the Bywater, you can't, however there are a plethora of small locally owned restaurants popping up everywhere in that area.
Posted on 4/2/16 at 7:00 am to MorgusTheMagnificent
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I am seeing just the opposite in Nola.. Go try and eat at a McDonald's in the Bywater, you can't, however there are a plethora of small locally owned restaurants popping up everywhere in that area.
Frankly I see Nola as an anomaly. This place rejects chain restaurants like nowhere else I've ever been.
Bywater still has a ways to go, there are still squatting gutter punks all over the place, too.
Posted on 4/2/16 at 8:32 am to MorgusTheMagnificent
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increased property value
For people living in poverty this is the issue. What's worse, if they can no longer afford rent because of gentrification, they likely can't afford the cost of moving somewhere else.
Posted on 4/2/16 at 9:08 am to Bmath
so what's the solution? forcing these areas to remain poor so that property values stay low so that rent is affordable?
Posted on 4/2/16 at 9:09 am to TexasTiger1185
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Frankly I see Nola as an anomaly.
it's not
when gentrification happens it's much more likely to replace a mcdonalds with a better/healthier restaurant than the opposite
just think of demos. who is more likely to eat mcdonalds: poor people or upper-middle class people?
Posted on 4/2/16 at 9:20 am to LSU alum wannabe
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True. I am not sure how long we are talking about. Heights was never anything for me. In my single days pre 2000 The Heights was certainly nowhere to be.
Pre 2000? That was 17 years ago! It definitely gentrified post-2000, but it happened quickly, and again, 17 freakin years have gone by since you remember it. You and I have both gotten old, man. We tend to think of things as having happened just the other day when actually over a decade has elapsed. Houses in the Heights proper (not 3 story townhouses, real houses) sell for over $400/ft now. In TEXAS, not California! That's a gentrified neighborhood.
Posted on 4/2/16 at 9:24 am to TexasTiger1185
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Frankly I see Nola as an anomaly. This place rejects chain restaurants like nowhere else I've ever been.
It's not. Central Austin is that way, Portland, non-suburban Seattle, SF... the "hip", gentrified areas of any city tend to reject chains in favor of independent restaurants or food trucks.
Posted on 4/2/16 at 9:28 am to yoga girl
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They are, or certainly have a greater right to be their than the white interlopers.
The best way to gentrify an area is to go into abandoned industrial areas (and every city has many of them), rather than into residential areas.
Nuttier than squirrel shite, as always.
Posted on 4/2/16 at 9:29 am to TexasTiger1185
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When a locally owned coffee shop becomes a Starvucks
This doesn't happen. You don't understand these areas. Poor areas don't have locally owned coffee shops! They have gas stations. That's what is such bullshite about this "loss of culture" stuff... there's nothing to lose, really. A bunch of mostly empty, delapidated retail space? Vape shops, cricket wireless stores, pawn shops, and washaterias? Great culture.
What really happens during gentrification is that a vacant, boarded up retail space that's been empty and attracting vagrants and vandals for 20 years gets purchased by an independent local owner who turns it into a coffee shop.
Starbucks is for suburban mommies. Urban gentrifiers scorn Starbucks because it's a corporate chain.
This post was edited on 4/2/16 at 9:33 am
Posted on 4/2/16 at 9:33 am to Cooter Davenport
man i'm telling you people who argue against gentrification try to turn poverty and grime into a noble status
Posted on 4/2/16 at 9:35 am to KindaRaw
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It sure sucked for the Pelicans...
Posted on 4/2/16 at 9:38 am to yoga girl
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iI dallas most gentrification has been of abandoned industrial areas
This is not true. East Dallas has been undergoing a large scale gentrification process since the seventies.
Virtually none of these areas were ever industrial. Virtually all of them were built as single family neighborhoods in times of prosperity, turned into multi-family barrios in times of recession, and are now being reclaimed by the prosperous.
Ghettos are made, not built.
Posted on 4/2/16 at 10:03 am to SlowFlowPro
Gentrification doesn't end poverty, where are these people supposed to go?
Poor people don't live in suburbs for a few reasons, transportation being part of that.
All of every city can't be upper middle class only.
I'm not against gentrification. But it's not automatically a good thing every time.
Poor people don't live in suburbs for a few reasons, transportation being part of that.
All of every city can't be upper middle class only.
I'm not against gentrification. But it's not automatically a good thing every time.
This post was edited on 4/2/16 at 10:05 am
Posted on 4/2/16 at 10:20 am to TexasTiger1185
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Gentrification doesn't end poverty, where are these people supposed to go?
Education and freedoms are the only thing that can end poverty. We have both of those and people still end up in poverty. Which leads me to believe nothing will end poverty so I guess just accept that and it gets easier.
Posted on 4/2/16 at 10:23 am to MorgusTheMagnificent
I don't see things like this in terms of good and bad. It's simply a social/economic trend. My generation wanted to be out in the suburbs where there was more house and land for the money. The generation of my children seem to prefer living in the city where the action is. Sure the displaced people in the city get priced out of their neighborhoods but considering the state of most inner cities, I don't see this as a bad thing.
Posted on 4/2/16 at 10:37 am to SlowFlowPro
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so what's the solution? forcing these areas to remain poor so that property values stay low so that rent is affordable?
That is a good question, but you can't deny that this an issue for many of these people.
Posted on 4/2/16 at 10:39 am to MorgusTheMagnificent
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Gentrification, good or bad... Thoughts?
good
Posted on 4/2/16 at 10:56 am to TexasTiger1185
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Gentrification doesn't end poverty, where are these people supposed to go?
What is poverty? I'd bet truly impoverished people across the globe would laugh at what we consider poor. i believe true poverty is the lack of access to basic needs and resources.
Here in America, everyone has access to education, clothing, food, and shelter regardless of sex, race, and income.... If you own a car, cell phone, designer clothes/ shoes, go clubbin' then you're not poor, you're just broke.
I don't think we have a poor people problem, we have an entitled people problem
This post was edited on 4/2/16 at 11:23 am
Posted on 4/2/16 at 11:33 am to MorgusTheMagnificent
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What is poverty? I'd bet truly impoverished people across the globe would laugh at what we consider poor. i believe true poverty is the lack of access to basic needs and resources.
But we're specifically talking about America. Why bring up other countries?
Poverty here is a thing. Whether or not you see it
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