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re: Gay man denied communion in Amite church

Posted on 7/21/15 at 11:42 am to
Posted by go_tigres
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Posted on 7/21/15 at 11:42 am to
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he's always been a shitass


Safe to assume he's doing the giving not the receiving if this is true
Posted by Catman88
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Dec 2004
49125 posts
Posted on 7/21/15 at 11:46 am to
A Eucharistic Minister is not qualified to speak on catholic dogma any more than I can speak for the Pope. I seriously doubt she was speaking on behalf of the Pope or even a Cardinal or even a Bishop. Sounded more like bad reporting by a person that has no idea what a Eucharistic Minister does.

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The spokesperson said something along the lines of "we don't deny people Communion", which sounds like an admission of wrongdoing.
Posted by GCTIDER
Mississippi
Member since May 2012
1893 posts
Posted on 7/21/15 at 12:48 pm to
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You're not understanding the core principle behind Christanity. This is that in God's eyes we have all sinned and come short of His glory. And the wages of sin is death. No works you or anyone does can cover those sins. no matter what good "works" we do they can't make up for our sin. The only way to be saved can from the fate of having to pay for your sins is to confess Chirst as your savior and repent from sin. Sin requires death as punishment, not just physical death but spiritual death as well. That's what hell actually is, spiritual death by eternal separation from God. That's why Christ died on the cross. His death paid the debt that we all should by rights have to pay. All we have to do is accept His gift by confessing that we are sinners, accepting Him as our savior, and repenting from sin.

And that's where people get confused. They don't know the actual definition of the word "repent". They mistakenly think it means to just ask forgiveness. But that's only half of its meaning. The other half of repenting is to turn 180 degrees from our sin. The true meaning of the word "repent" is to "turn from". In other words, it means to change from a sinful nature to one of following Christ. Thus it's not enough to just keep asking forgiveness while continuing to live exactly like you did before repenting for your sins. A sincere change has to take place where you genuinely turn from your sinful nature. But that does not mean a Christian will never sin. Nobody can go through life and never sin. I know it sounds complicated and counterintuitive. But that's what lays at the heart of the Christian faith.
PERFECT explanation of Christianity.
Posted by uway
Member since Sep 2004
33109 posts
Posted on 7/21/15 at 2:16 pm to
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A Eucharistic Minister is not qualified to speak on catholic dogma any more than I can speak for the Pope. I seriously doubt she was speaking on behalf of the Pope or even a Cardinal or even a Bishop. Sounded more like bad reporting by a person that has no idea what a Eucharistic Minister does.

The main point of including her in the article is that she is a spokesperson for the Diocese. They didn't just go out and find a random Eucharistic Minister.
Posted by uway
Member since Sep 2004
33109 posts
Posted on 7/21/15 at 2:35 pm to
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just think this mentality is horrible. The fact that John Wayne Gacy who repents on his death bed for murdering countless people is somehow more worthy of heaven than Bill Gates, who has saved thousands of lives but just happens to be an atheist. Does anyone besides me realize how insane that sounds? Hardcore Christians really do put murderers on a higher pedestal than atheists and gays.


First of all I want to acknowledge that the viewpoint you express here is one that seems to come from a point of love.
I also acknowledge that at least part of what you believe about Christianity is due to us Christians so often failing to ourselves act out of love.
I'm not going to try to correct what I believe are misconceptions you have about Christianity.
I'll say that I believe God has room for repentant murderers and for benevolent atheists, and that each person is judged fairly, regardless of what they consciously believe during their time on earth. How could someone be condemned for things outside of their control? Who would want to believe in such a God?

The thing for us as individuals, though, is to not to assume that anything (internal) is out of our control. It's not an excuse. We should all search within our hearts, minds, and souls for what is right and good, and I believe the author of life will find us there.
Posted by Catman88
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Dec 2004
49125 posts
Posted on 7/21/15 at 2:45 pm to
I can promise you that she isn't speaking for the bishop with that statement. She is reacting to a story and her response certainly isn't one that holds true to catholic teaching. Sounds more like she was speaking as a EM rather than spokesperson in that comment.
This post was edited on 7/21/15 at 2:49 pm
Posted by ssgtiger
Central
Member since Jan 2011
3283 posts
Posted on 7/21/15 at 2:51 pm to
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The church has rules, and the priest has the duty to make sure those rules are followed. Don't like them, don't go.



What do those rules say about molesting young boys? That seems to be accepted by the Church. Those priest still receive the Eucharist. Is that not the same homosexual act that they are so strongly against?
Posted by Artie Rome
Hwy 1
Member since Jul 2014
8757 posts
Posted on 7/21/15 at 2:55 pm to
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What do those rules say about molesting young boys? That seems to be accepted by the Church. Those priest still receive the Eucharist. Is that not the same homosexual act that they are so strongly against?


Posted by Moustache
GEAUX TIGERS
Member since May 2008
21658 posts
Posted on 7/21/15 at 3:16 pm to
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What do those rules say about molesting young boys? That seems to be accepted by the Church. Those priest still receive the Eucharist. Is that not the same homosexual act that they are so strongly against?




Such a ridiculous statement.

Yes heinous things happened in the church. Yes, people in the church did horrible things like covering it up and not punishing those priests. Yes, those priests deserved prison.

However, the church has not and never will condone the molestation that happened. Those priests are expected to repent and confess. The bishops and others who covered it up are expected to repent and confess. If they receive the Eucharist without repenting and confessing, then they are just as guilty as anyone of profaning the Lord's body and blood.

Catholics have a saying: "The floor of hell is paved with the skulls of bishops."

Christ's one true church does not and will not ever condone this. There may be corruption in the ministry and congregation because we are all human, but the church doesn't condone it.
Posted by Artie Rome
Hwy 1
Member since Jul 2014
8757 posts
Posted on 7/21/15 at 3:17 pm to
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Such a ridiculous statement.


But he's so edgy!
Posted by Golfer
Member since Nov 2005
75052 posts
Posted on 7/21/15 at 3:20 pm to
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just think this mentality is horrible. The fact that John Wayne Gacy who repents on his death bed for murdering countless people is somehow more worthy of heaven than Bill Gates, who has saved thousands of lives but just happens to be an atheist. Does anyone besides me realize how insane that sounds?


Yea, well for Catholics there's this little place called purgatory. The act of contrition on your death bed isn't an express ticket to the gates of St. Peter...
This post was edited on 7/21/15 at 3:23 pm
Posted by Breesus
Unplug
Member since Jan 2010
69549 posts
Posted on 7/21/15 at 3:20 pm to
This thread is so full of stupid it's ridiculous.

Posted by RockAndRollDetective
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2014
4506 posts
Posted on 7/21/15 at 3:32 pm to
This was Amite, right? Obviously this has nothing to do with gayness and everything to do with the fact that he was wearing the wrong kind of hip waders.
Posted by beejon
University Of Louisiana Warhawks
Member since Nov 2008
7959 posts
Posted on 7/21/15 at 4:16 pm to
In the view of the Catholic church, what does communion do for the person? What individual benefit is received?
Posted by avondale88
Montgomery
Member since May 2009
2634 posts
Posted on 7/21/15 at 5:15 pm to
If I'm not mistaken, I think that the Catholic Church did away with purgatory. You had to pay the Church to have a Mass said to get your loved one's soul out of purgatory. I was raised Catholic and I was an altar boy in the days the Church used only Latin. I remember having to learn all the responses to the priests in Latin. I managed to learn it all though.

Posted by bayoumuscle21
St. George
Member since Jan 2012
5068 posts
Posted on 7/21/15 at 6:02 pm to
Sinning and living in sin are two different things. Like if I walk down the street and lust I sin, but if I own a strip club then I'm choosing to live in that sin daily. The whole reason Jesus did what he did was so us sinners could have a chance, we fail daily so outsiders can call us hipocrites, but it is different if we identify as gay/ homosexual and live that lifestyle. Also, living with your gf without being married would be considered living in sin, y'all act so smart on here it shouldn't be hard to figure out for the OT geniuses.
Posted by avondale88
Montgomery
Member since May 2009
2634 posts
Posted on 7/21/15 at 8:14 pm to
Didn't Christ preach forgiveness? Who is this priest to say that he is the word of God? How many child molesters, rapists and killers receive communion, but their crimes were not known before the church let them receive the Eurcharist? The priest needs to realize that he isn't God, so who in his faith told him to ban him from giving the guy the Eucharist?
Posted by lsumatt
Austin
Member since Feb 2005
12812 posts
Posted on 7/21/15 at 8:20 pm to
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Didn't Christ preach forgiveness?


Absolutely. And if this guy ended his marriage and went to confession to ask for forgiveness, that priest should and would give him communion.
Posted by tankyank13
NOLA
Member since Nov 2012
8349 posts
Posted on 7/21/15 at 8:45 pm to
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so who in his faith told him to ban him from giving the guy the Eucharist?






1 Corinthians 11:27 

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So then, whoever eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of sinning against the body and blood of the Lord.


Posted by Pepperidge
Slidell
Member since Apr 2011
4413 posts
Posted on 7/21/15 at 8:52 pm to
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Christ loved sinners but he also commanded them to sin no more once he had forgiven them of those sins.


This is the answer.

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This man clearly continues to sin


therefore he nor any gay person or anyone for that matter that continues to commit the same sin intentionally even after confessing those sins is ineligible to receive communion.
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