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re: From my hometown, Walker County, Alabama
Posted on 2/20/23 at 6:12 pm to imjustafatkid
Posted on 2/20/23 at 6:12 pm to imjustafatkid
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Based on that video, I honestly can't imagine why. Looks like they're just loading him into a car.
They’re loading an unconscious (likely deceased) man, not an alert and conscious man as they claimed.
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Posted on 2/20/23 at 6:43 pm to greygoose
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Apparently, he was tazed, and put in a walk-in freezer at some point
That is a scenario that was alleged by the lawyer representing the family of the deceased in their lawsuit. It looks there was neglect on the police's part, but I haven't read anything that substantiates the walk-in freezer allegation. For further background, the guy who died had a history of drug abuse and mental illness. If I'm not mistaken, part of the reason he was arrested was for shooting at the police. He must have been combative while in custody, because in addition to being held naked and being tased, he was placed in a restraint chair for part of the time. I'm sure all the surveillance tapes will be gone over with a fine toothed comb to find out exactly what happened.
Posted on 2/21/23 at 1:40 pm to imjustafatkid
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Don't know. "Alert and conscious" doesn't mean "of his own volition." That video doesn't really tell me if he's conscious or not.
You are either trolling, or a complete idiot. That dude showed up at the hospital with an internal temp of 72 degrees. To put that into perspective, 93 degrees in deemed unrecoverable. If you have a hard time determining if that dude in the video is conscious or not, I have to question your ability of reasonable thought.Posted on 2/21/23 at 1:43 pm to Tupelo
quote:You do know how the family found out about his time there, right? A jailer contacted them directly, and provided video. Think she might be the one who told the family he was put in a freezer? I wouldn't think the lawyer would just throw that allegation out there if he didn't already know it to true.
That is a scenario that was alleged by the lawyer representing the family of the deceased in their lawsuit.
Posted on 2/21/23 at 4:48 pm to greygoose
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That is a scenario that was alleged by the lawyer representing the family of the deceased in their lawsuit.
You do know how the family found out about his time there, right? A jailer contacted them directly, and provided video. Think she might be the one who told the family he was put in a freezer? I wouldn't think the lawyer would just throw that allegation out there if he didn't already know it to true.
The video provided by the jailer didn't show him being placed in a freezer. The video of him being loaded for transport to the hospital did appear to contradict the testimony of the jailers concerning him being conscious. The wording used by the lawyer didn't specifically say that he was placed in a freezer, either. It said something to the effect of "he was placed in a walk -in freezer, or other frigid constraint". In other words, he has no idea what actually happened. Don't get me wrong, he may have been placed in the freezer or exposed to cold outside air. But it hasn't been established yet what really happened. I wouldn't be so quick to accept the word of a lawyer that stands to make a pile of money off this, though. It sounds like the guy was a handful to deal with, and should have been sent to a psych ward instead of jail.
Posted on 2/21/23 at 4:54 pm to shutterspeed
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Crazy how they thought they could get away with that.
If not for the bravery of that woman, they may have.
Posted on 2/21/23 at 5:07 pm to greygoose
Walker county. Doesn't surprise me.
Walker, Blount, Etowah, Cullman etc all one in the same
Walker, Blount, Etowah, Cullman etc all one in the same
Posted on 2/21/23 at 5:13 pm to greygoose
Can we see a pic of the criminal and what he did to see if I feel sorry for him?
Posted on 2/21/23 at 5:19 pm to el Gaucho
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Can we see a pic of the criminal and what he did to see if I feel sorry for him?
He's a gringo. He shot at the Federales.
This post was edited on 2/21/23 at 5:27 pm
Posted on 2/21/23 at 5:24 pm to greygoose
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You do know how the family found out about his time there, right? A jailer contacted them directly, and provided video. Think she might be the one who told the family he was put in a freezer? I wouldn't think the lawyer would just throw that allegation out there if he didn't already know it to true.
The family just wants a payout. If they cared about this dude they wouldn’t have let it get to this point
And y’all always say mean things about the unhoused but y’all get all mad when some sheriff puts them in a walk-in freezer
Posted on 2/21/23 at 7:21 pm to Tupelo
quote:So they say. No weapon has been recovered.
He's a gringo. He shot at the Federales.
Posted on 2/21/23 at 7:32 pm to Tupelo
quote:The jailer, who was fired, provided the video directly to the family, and told them what she had witnessed. To this day, the Sheriff's Department has not released any videos. Hmmmmm...
The video provided by the jailer didn't show him being placed in a freezer. The video of him being loaded for transport to the hospital did appear to contradict the testimony of the jailers concerning him being conscious. The wording used by the lawyer didn't specifically say that he was placed in a freezer, either. It said something to the effect of "he was placed in a walk -in freezer, or other frigid constraint". In other words, he has no idea what actually happened. Don't get me wrong, he may have been placed in the freezer or exposed to cold outside air. But it hasn't been established yet what really happened. I wouldn't be so quick to accept the word of a lawyer that stands to make a pile of money off this, though. It sounds like the guy was a handful to deal with, and should have been sent to a psych ward instead of jail.
They guy was having a mental break. Showed up at his cousin's house, looking for a portal to Hell to save his dead brother that was still born. The cousin called the cops for a wellness check. 14 days later, he's being carried to a police car for transport to the local hospital. He had an internal temp of 72 degrees upon arrival. The official statement from the sheriff's department was he was "alert and conscious" at the time of transport.
If the cops will blatantly lie about that, then their whole story is suspect, especially considering there is a whistleblower who was fired because she released video that 100% contradicted their official statement. If you don't think that department, including the sheriff is totally screwed, I don't know what else would convince you.
Other than the grieving family, the good citizens of the county are also victims. They are the ones who will ultimately pay out the arse in the civil suit.
Posted on 2/21/23 at 9:09 pm to greygoose
She had obviously not witnessed him being placed in the freezer, or the lawyer would not have had to use weasel words ("or similar frigid constraints"). Yes, the leaked video indicated they were not forthcoming on the circumstances of his transport to the hospital. But no, that doesn't mean that they are lying about everything. They may very well be screwed, and if abuse is proven, that's good. But let everything be investigated, and all the facts come out.
Posted on 2/21/23 at 9:11 pm to greygoose
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If you don't think that department, including the sheriff is totally screwed,
Not if his brother in law is the judge.
Posted on 2/21/23 at 9:46 pm to BuckyCheese
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Not if his brother in law is the judge
Which one? Newer one or been there awhile?
This post was edited on 2/21/23 at 9:47 pm
Posted on 2/21/23 at 9:59 pm to saint tiger225
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That's another fricked up environment. I was in Catahoula waiting for a pre-trial hearing and I'm in there with people already sentenced for 20+ years to life. That shouldn't happ
Catahoula is a violent zoo. DOC inmate doing
20 years, EBRPP thugs from Baton Rouge that all know each other, Catahoula thugs and meth heads, all in the same dorms with the most stupid, corrupt and lazy guards imaginable.
Yeah, I know...
Posted on 2/21/23 at 10:06 pm to greygoose
This has happened a lot. Happened in Alabama to a woman not too long ago. She told them she had pneumonia and was on meds and they withheld her meds. When she got sick, they refused to get her medical help. She died a while later.
The baw from Walker County was crazy but he doesn't deserve to be tortured. This happens a lot with the mentally ill in jail. We have no state hospitals anymore, so jails are now mental health facilities. And they are ran by people with no training whatsoever.
The baw from Walker County was crazy but he doesn't deserve to be tortured. This happens a lot with the mentally ill in jail. We have no state hospitals anymore, so jails are now mental health facilities. And they are ran by people with no training whatsoever.
Posted on 2/22/23 at 12:00 am to el Gaucho
He shot at the cops
Posted on 2/22/23 at 12:47 am to Delacroix22
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Whoever made the comment that prison guards are from the same socioeconomic crust as criminals just that they still have a clean record is very accurate
The hiring/selection process for law enforcement is rife with perverse incentives. The biggest issue is that they will disqualify you for even the most minor of issues. You might figure that’s a good thing, we want our cops to be clean cut and cut from good cloth, and certainly the good ones are. But most of them do have issues and are just adept at lying about them and covering them up. We end up in many cases not selecting for the noblest among us but the exact opposite—the ignoble who are most convincing about being able to hide it. The job itself also selects for at minimum a lack of hangups over using violence if not an outright desire or even joy for the chance to use it legally.
It’s basically selecting for psychopathy in a lot of cases. NOT all, but an alarmingly high number
Posted on 2/22/23 at 3:05 am to blue_morrison
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He shot at the cops
Who says, the cops? Are they the only witness? Because I don’t trust a thing they say.
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