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re: Fossils in Greece Suggest Human Ancestors Evolved in Europe, Not Africa
Posted on 4/11/24 at 12:16 pm to Prodigal Son
Posted on 4/11/24 at 12:16 pm to Prodigal Son
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You talking about that imaginative artwork?
we have found fossils of all those species
Posted on 4/11/24 at 12:38 pm to GRTiger
quote:Or, it could be a certainty that at some point in time in some iteration of some universe that intelligent life will arise to ponder its own existence.
The fact that we are here is pretty miraculous and magical even by current scientific standards.
quote:Here is what I know. You look a lot like your parents, and so does your DNA. That is not a coincidence because we know that your DNA came from them. As you go back more generations, you are less and less similar to any particular individual and your DNA says the same. The same is true of all life on earth. Your DNA exposes your relationship to other humans. Why do you think it doesn't expose your relationship to other species?
You claim to seek knowledge but also claim to know that which you can't possibly.
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You're a walking contradiction
Again I say, if you have evidence which debunks evolution I am all ears. Help me learn something new.
No, a walking contradiction is someone created with a mind capable of thought and reason who fails to use it. A walking contradiction is someone who believes in objective morality declared by god yet doesn't recognize the cruelty in planting evidence which points to a singular logical conclusion which is to be disregarded in favor of faith in magic otherwise you go to hell.
Posted on 4/11/24 at 12:44 pm to Prodigal Son
It's amazing to me how much energy goes into countering arguments that were never made.
Posted on 4/11/24 at 1:08 pm to Korkstand
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Or, it could be a certainty that at some point in time in some iteration of some universe that intelligent life will arise to ponder its own existence.
So you believe in the possibility (with zero evidence) of a multiverse, but believing in God is the same as believing in magic?
Ok, man. Have a great day.
Posted on 4/11/24 at 1:19 pm to GRTiger
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So you believe in the possibility (with zero evidence) of a multiverse, but believing in God is the same as believing in magic?
wait do you believe in the possibility of God or you think it's an absolute irrefutable certainty?
there's a difference in believing something is possible and thinking you know the answer for a fact
Posted on 4/11/24 at 2:04 pm to Prodigal Son
When a theist infers the existence of God, based on philosophical principles, biblical accounts verified by historical and archaeological evidence, scientific evidence that screams intelligent design
Posted on 4/11/24 at 2:07 pm to GRTiger
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So you believe in the possibility (with zero evidence) of a multiverse, but believing in God is the same as believing in magic?
So let me get this straight...
Presumably we both agree that this universe exists. According to you, if I entertain the possibility that another universe exists then I might as well entertain the possibility of magic? The existence of one of something seems sufficient evidence that maybe there are more, don't you think? If someone can provide evidence that god exists I'll probably think there could be more of those as well.
No difference between the natural and supernatural in your mind?
And FWIW, I don't believe I've ever said the existence of god is not a possibility. It just shouldn't be the go-to answer before exploring the natural world.
Posted on 4/11/24 at 2:30 pm to Korkstand
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Same goes for your own, right?
Yes, it does. I don’t deny that I am biased towards the existence of God, and the truth of Christianity. Because of that bias, I am compelled to contend for the faith that I truly believe saves the lost, and gives peace to all who find it.
What is your motivation biased towards? Can you honestly say that it has nothing to do with the implications of discovering that God does exist, and that Christianity is true? Can you honestly say that you are completely indifferent towards the claims of Christianity? That you have no internal desire for the Bible to be proven false?
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There are far too many unknown probabilities and factors for any estimation to be accurate.
Then why are we teaching that Darwinian evolution is an undisputed fact?
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Maybe this is not the first universal cycle. Maybe there have been an infinite number of bangs and crunches and bangs before ours.
Maybe. But, this just kicks the can down the road a bit. Infinite regress is logically impossible, so those multiverses and bangs would still require a beginning- and an explanation thereof.
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In these cases the unlikelihood of abiogenesis hardly matters. Given infinite universes and/or infinite cycles, eventually something intelligent will come about to ask how we got here.
Where does information come from?
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There is so much left to learn and discover
Then why pretend to have all the answers? Why even teach the origin theories? (The answer is obvious, isn’t it?)
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Why do you insist on placing this artificial limit on the amount of change that can happen?
Because it contradicts the Bible, and it is not sufficiently evidenced.
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What can happen is two different "kinds" like humans and chimps arose from a common ancestor long ago. The fossil record and DNA back each other up here
I don’t think so. The fossil record shows fully formed “kinds” and no transitional fossils that don’t require giant imaginary leaps in logic.
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Because it is important? Because it helps us to understand the world we live in? Because this knowledge unlocks another world of investigation to better our understanding?
Why is it important? What practical benefit is gained from the idea that humans evolved from monkeys? What world of investigation has this knowledge opened up?
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Why does an understanding of evolution mean we have no free will?
Because materialism/naturalism dictates that all of our thoughts and emotions are merely chemical reactions that are exclusively the product of external stimuli.
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Do you think we require consequences after death to be good while we're alive?
Why do we have laws? Prisons? Police officers? Courts? Do you honestly believe that we would all behave the same way without them?
I can’t help but notice that you neglected to comment on the results of widespread acceptance of evolutionary theory. I take it as those consequences are acceptable, as long as it frees you from the acknowledgment of your rebellion against your Creator.
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Other animals love like we do. Other animals protect their own like we do. Maybe they don't understand it, maybe they don't feel it as strongly as we do. But they sure as hell have family units and packs and tribes as we do, and they work together and fight for one another as we do, and they mourn loss as we do. And they don't need to read a book to behave that way.
Yet another intended consequence of the acceptance of evolutionary theory- “We’re no different than the other animals.” “Humans aren’t special.” This line of thinking, when coupled with the lack of fear of ultimate consequences- is exactly what empowers the worst behavior in people.
Posted on 4/11/24 at 2:35 pm to Prodigal Son
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The fossil record shows fully formed “kinds” and no transitional fossils that don’t require giant imaginary leaps in logic.
this just isn't true.
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Yet another intended consequence of the acceptance of evolutionary theory- “We’re no different than the other animals.” “Humans aren’t special.” This line of thinking, when coupled with the lack of fear of ultimate consequences- is exactly what empowers the worst behavior in people.
which is why the people in charge would be motivated to invent religion
This post was edited on 4/11/24 at 2:37 pm
Posted on 4/11/24 at 2:36 pm to Corinthians420
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Evolution theory has came a long way since then, but religion hasn't advanced at all
That should tell you something. Lies “evolve” over time. Truth never changes.
Posted on 4/11/24 at 2:37 pm to Prodigal Son
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Why is it important? What practical benefit is gained from the idea that humans evolved from monkeys? What world of investigation has this knowledge opened up?
Evolution does not teach that humans evolved from monkeys. And really think about what you're saying here. It's sad really.
Posted on 4/11/24 at 2:38 pm to Corinthians420
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there's a difference in believing something is possible and thinking you know the answer for a fact
I believe in God for a fact. Kork believes for a fact that there is no God. Explain your decision to ask me and not him.
Belief in multiple universes is fairytale magic at this point in our understanding. True or false? If false, show me the evidence we have so far for that theory.
Posted on 4/11/24 at 2:42 pm to Prodigal Son
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Then why are we teaching that Darwinian evolution is an undisputed fact?
evolution is a fact. You can drop the "darwinian" part
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I don’t think so. The fossil record shows fully formed “kinds” and no transitional fossils that don’t require giant imaginary leaps in logic.
"Kinds" is a made up term by creationists, and your assertion is 100% false.
Posted on 4/11/24 at 2:42 pm to GRTiger
quote:Not true.
Kork believes for a fact that there is no God.
quote:False.
Belief in multiple universes is fairytale magic at this point in our understanding. True or false?
quote:We have solid evidence that at least one universe exists.
If false, show me the evidence we have so far for that theory.
Posted on 4/11/24 at 2:44 pm to Prodigal Son
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That should tell you something.
Oh the irony
Posted on 4/11/24 at 2:46 pm to Korkstand
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Not true.
Very true.
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Belief in multiple universes is fairytale magic at this point in our understanding. True or false?
False.
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If false, show me the evidence we have so far for that theory.
We have solid evidence that at least one universe exists.
Posted on 4/11/24 at 2:47 pm to Mo Jeaux
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Evolution does not teach that humans evolved from monkeys
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And really think about what you're saying here. It's sad really.
How so?
Posted on 4/11/24 at 2:51 pm to LSUDVM1999
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controversial idea
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suggested
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may have
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potentially
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Darwin also speculated
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could also have
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supports this theory
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he speculates that it could represent
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could be a hominin
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the Nikiti ape may be
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may have evolved
But I'm the simple minded idiot, because I have faith in the fact that God created man in his own image. Two religions. One relies on the Creator and his infinite wisdom and omniscience, the other relies on His creation and the arrogance and narcissism with which it bestows knowledge upon itself.
Posted on 4/11/24 at 2:54 pm to Corinthians420
Where does information come from?
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