re: Fossils in Greece Suggest Human Ancestors Evolved in Europe, Not Africa

But, but, the cradle of civilization

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My question is how did we go from hydrogen and helium to sentient, space exploring life in the blink of an eye by universal standards?

Evolution happened, but the most important part of it basically gets the yada yada treatment, since nobody really knows the "how" of most of it.

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That's a question for the field of abiogenesis. The theory of evolution is about just that: evolving. It's not a theory of the origin of life.

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There are almost endless examples of transitional species. A simple google search would’ve told you that.

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Most organisms never become fossils because fossilization is a rare process that requires very specific conditions. Our knowledge of the natural world before our time is very limited. Therefore, Darwin argues, the lack of transitional species in the fossil record poses little challenge to the theory of evolution.

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Good lord this site, especially the politard forum, is the biggest group of pussies this side of reddit if someone plays the devil's advocate and gets you out of your comfort zone. Firstly, take a breath: I'm not denying evolution.

No, of the billions of fossils in the fossils record, there are no definitive, chronological instances of a plant becoming an animal, a reptile becoming a mammal, or showing any proclivity to doing so. Do not confuse adapatations of a family, genus and/or species, with species evolving into an entirely different class, phylum and kingdom. Darwin's finches adapting their beaks to current conditions and them changing them back is an adaptation just the same as a black bear foregoing the beehive and heading for the trash dumpster. That's still not an example of jumping multiple levels on the taxonomy scale. It's the proclivity and evidences of signs that the "big jumps" happened that are missing.

That said, it's clear to anyone with a brain that the similarities between a lizard and an Eastern Wild Turkey are uncanny. They look like the same animal in many ways, especially their movements and mannerisms, but they obviously are not.

Darwinian Evolution is not as cut and dry as the public school educational system lead us to believe, and it is not some immovable, flawless, theory that's above reproach. I regret to inform you of that, but it is, sadly for you, the truth. And that's a good thing: good science should always be searching for the fact of the matter. Sadly, as we all are finding out nowadays, it (especially the life and social sciences) is an incredibly politicized "industry" that is oftentimes not at all concerned with the truth but instead funding, ego, and reputation. Just like with everything else, when the government sank its hands into science and her public universities, everything went to hell. There are many, many scientists that have and currently are poking holes in Darwinian Evolution. You can find out about them, but they're not going to be popular across legacy media, nor will they be well funded by the bank of science, i.e., the federal government.

But to say there are "almost endless examples" in the fossil record of a species jumping across multiple taxonomic levels is just not true- even Darwin himself addressed this discrepancy, so your assertion is dead on arrival.

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No, of the billions of fossils in the fossils record, there are no definitive, chronological instances of a plant becoming an animal, a reptile becoming a mammal, or showing any proclivity to doing so. Do not confuse adapatations of a family, genus and/or species, with species evolving into an entirely different class, phylum and kingdom

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Could you elaborate more on this because it sounds like you are talking about an oak tree birthing a lizard or a snake giving birth to a squirrel?

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Darwin's finches adapting their beaks to current conditions and them changing them back is an adaptation just the same as a black bear foregoing the beehive and heading for the trash dumpster. That's still not an example of jumping multiple levels on the taxonomy scale. It's the proclivity and evidences of signs that the "big jumps" happened that are missing.

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What "big jumps?" Evolution is simply the process you describe as adaptions over long periods of time (relative to the species, you can observe noticeable changes in fruit flies much faster than bears, for example). There are no claims of species "jumping multiple levels on the taxomy scale" anywhere in evolutionary theory. That's a ridiculous cartoon caricature of evolution.

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None of it matters because we are a simulation anyway.

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True. I should specify that I'm referring to 'in base reality.'

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The process of adaption to local environments over generations where individual traits and mutations that are beneficial to the species are promoted through reproduction and those that aren't benificial gradually decline or disappear over time due to less reproductive success

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Excellent. (See Mo? That wasn’t so hard). Now, do you believe that this process is (a) sufficient to explain the evolution of the millions (10-30) of species of life on Earth from a single cell? And (b) completely random and unguided?

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completely random and unguided?

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Random mutations and genetic variation guided by natural selection

Apologies for the “now.” That was not intended. I’m not sure where that came from. Multitasking is not efficient.
Thanks for the response. I’d like to continue this conversation- tomorrow. Have a great night!

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Good lord this site, especially the politard forum, is the biggest group of pussies this side of reddit if someone plays the devil's advocate and gets you out of your comfort zone. Firstly, take a breath: I'm not denying evolution.

No, of the billions of fossils in the fossils record, there are no definitive, chronological instances of a plant becoming an animal, a reptile becoming a mammal, or showing any proclivity to doing so. Do not confuse adapatations of a family, genus and/or species, with species evolving into an entirely different class, phylum and kingdom. Darwin's finches adapting their beaks to current conditions and them changing them back is an adaptation just the same as a black bear foregoing the beehive and heading for the trash dumpster. That's still not an example of jumping multiple levels on the taxonomy scale. It's the proclivity and evidences of signs that the "big jumps" happened that are missing.

That said, it's clear to anyone with a brain that the similarities between a lizard and an Eastern Wild Turkey are uncanny. They look like the same animal in many ways, especially their movements and mannerisms, but they obviously are not.

Darwinian Evolution is not as cut and dry as the public school educational system lead us to believe, and it is not some immovable, flawless, theory that's above reproach. I regret to inform you of that, but it is, sadly for you, the truth. And that's a good thing: good science should always be searching for the fact of the matter. Sadly, as we all are finding out nowadays, it (especially the life and social sciences) is an incredibly politicized "industry" that is oftentimes not at all concerned with the truth but instead funding, ego, and reputation. Just like with everything else, when the government sank its hands into science and her public universities, everything went to hell. There are many, many scientists that have and currently are poking holes in Darwinian Evolution. You can find out about them, but they're not going to be popular across legacy media, nor will they be well funded by the bank of science, i.e., the federal government.

But to say there are "almost endless examples" in the fossil record of a species jumping across multiple taxonomic levels is just not true- even Darwin himself addressed this discrepancy, so your assertion is dead on arrival.

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Good Lord - your understanding of evolution is pretty limited, dude. Let's be up front about that.

Evolution has never and will never presuppose "jumps" across orders or classes within a short period of time (let's call it less than 100,000 years for animals).

The proclivity and signs of evolution across the taxonomy are common ancestors, and they have been discovered by the boatload. Evolution doesn't work through "jumps" from a bird to a mammal. That's idiotic and frankly conveys a poor understanding of how the process works. It occurs through small differentiations across millions of generations of reproduction (hundreds of millions or even billions in some cases). Genetics and genome mapping has provided a wealth of new information in a lot of cases to help complete the picture over the last thirty years.

You do know that Origin of Species was published more than 160 years ago, right? There may have been an advance or two in our understanding of the process since then.

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Y'all think if an extinction level event killed every last human on earth, there would eventually be humans again at some point?

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No, if humans go extinct…there will be no more humans