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re: Fossils in Greece Suggest Human Ancestors Evolved in Europe, Not Africa
Posted on 4/9/24 at 3:16 pm to GRTiger
Posted on 4/9/24 at 3:16 pm to GRTiger
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It's almost as of you have decided what is right and what is wrong. Much like Liberator, please don't take offense to me not really putting much stock into your very definitive opinions.
Bro, we have people on this board who believe that the Earth is only 6000 years old and that Noah was a real person. You can believe whatever you want and it won't offend me. I may laugh at you though. But again, using logic and looking at what we at least currently believe based on the science, there was not a cataclysmic world-wide flood that destroyed all of humanity almost in its entirety.
Again, humans have historically settled near water sources. Even today, population centers generally are settled in the say way. This shouldn't be controversial at all, but maybe it is to you.
Also, water sources tend to flood. This happens even today. Again, not controversial. It's logical to believe that groups of humans would tell stories about this floods. Again, not sure how this would be controversial.
This post was edited on 4/9/24 at 3:17 pm
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Posted on 4/9/24 at 3:22 pm to Mo Jeaux
You don't think rapid warming would cause some problems with melting ice caps? Are pole shifts science fiction? If not, what sort of mess would that create?
There is an infinite world of things that could have happened in the last 4-5 million years that may or may not ever become apparent to us for various reasons. There is certainly evidence of ancient cities/civilizations lost to the sea.
It's silly to say that a lack of evidence means it didn't happen. Everyone goes on inference and context, including scientists. You seem to be dead set against certain theories based purely on how closely aligned they are to any sort of historical religious text. That's your prerogative, however myopic it may be.
There is an infinite world of things that could have happened in the last 4-5 million years that may or may not ever become apparent to us for various reasons. There is certainly evidence of ancient cities/civilizations lost to the sea.
It's silly to say that a lack of evidence means it didn't happen. Everyone goes on inference and context, including scientists. You seem to be dead set against certain theories based purely on how closely aligned they are to any sort of historical religious text. That's your prerogative, however myopic it may be.
This post was edited on 4/9/24 at 3:23 pm
Posted on 4/9/24 at 3:26 pm to GRTiger
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It's silly to say that a lack of evidence means it didn't happen.
I didn't say it didn't happen definitively though. I said thinking logically and looking at what we currently know based on the science it didn't happen. I'm happy to change that view if we uncover evidence that it did. The Noah story isn't evidence to me though.
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You seem to be dead set against certain theories based purely on how closely aligned they are to any sort of historical religious text. That's your prerogative, however myopic it may be.
I don't understand. Probably because I think you misunderstand what I'm saying. I absolutely believe that there have been cataclysmic localized floods throughout history, some of which have destroyed human settlements. Again, that's why these stories were written.
This post was edited on 4/9/24 at 3:28 pm
Posted on 4/9/24 at 3:29 pm to Mo Jeaux
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I don't understand.
That’s an understatement.
Posted on 4/9/24 at 3:30 pm to Mo Jeaux
Do you think there would be any evidence of civilization under the miles of ice in Antarctica if we could get to it?
Posted on 4/9/24 at 3:32 pm to Prodigal Son
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That’s an understatement.
You're free to answer my question that I asked earlier. You're also free to continue to engage in ad hominem attacks on me too. Seems very Christian.
Posted on 4/9/24 at 3:33 pm to GRTiger
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Do you think there would be any evidence of civilization under the miles of ice in Antarctica if we could get to it?
Do I think there is? Probably not. Does a part of me hope that there is? Generally, yes.
Posted on 4/9/24 at 3:41 pm to Mo Jeaux
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Noah was a real person.
I have heard this argument before and I liken it back to was there a George Washington. The answer is probably yes, GW the person is not GW the giant that has a lot of factually incorrect methos built around him.
More than likely there was a Noah... More than likely there was a King Arthur and a Robin of Locksley.
Posted on 4/9/24 at 3:45 pm to Mo Jeaux
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You're free to answer my question
Now you’re just being obtuse.
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Seems very Christian.
Nice deflection. How about you stop ducking the question? What’s the current theory of evolution?
Posted on 4/9/24 at 3:45 pm to FreddieMac
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I have heard this argument before and I liken it back to was there a George Washington. The answer is probably yes, GW the person is not GW the giant that has a lot of factually incorrect methos built around him.
More than likely there was a Noah... More than likely there was a King Arthur and a Robin of Locksley.
And Noah may have survived a bad flood in a valley where he lived and saved some farm animals. Then the story ballooned for thousands of years.
Or he didn't exist. Who fricking cares
Posted on 4/9/24 at 3:51 pm to FreddieMac
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I have heard this argument before and I liken it back to was there a George Washington. The answer is probably yes, GW the person is not GW the giant that has a lot of factually incorrect methos built around him.
I agree that the "mythological" George Washington wasn't real, but yours isn't the most apt analogy. We have historical records on George Washington. Hell, his house is still standing.
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More than likely there was a Noah... More than likely there was a King Arthur and a Robin of Locksley.
Eh. Were these characters based on a probably amalgamation of actual persons who lived? Yeah, probably.
This post was edited on 4/9/24 at 3:59 pm
Posted on 4/9/24 at 4:17 pm to Liberator
quote:I know evolution is fact and I believe in God, so there's that.
Evolution and Sci-Fi "reality" are your "God Replacement Theory".
Posted on 4/9/24 at 4:32 pm to TCO
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It appears they (aliens) do not exist.
quote:Uh...because we don't know that any exist?
How can you make this statement? There are billions of galaxies, each with billions of stars.
You're using the exact same structure that atheists use against Christians when using the "God of the gaps" argument. Though in this case, it's the "aliens of the gap."
The onus of proof belongs to those who claim they (aliens) exist, not the ones who say they don't.
Posted on 4/9/24 at 4:43 pm to mudshuvl05
if evolution isnt true then how does anyone explain the geological columns? The simpler species are in the lower columns, the more complex are in the higher.
Posted on 4/9/24 at 4:56 pm to BigD43
quote:who said it isn’t?
if evolution isnt true then how does anyone explain the geological columns? The simpler species are in the lower columns, the more complex are in the higher.
It couldn't be from earlier, simpler life forms being stacked up from extinction level events at an earlier date than the later, more advanced life forms, could it? I don't know.
That said, the literally zero fossil evidences of there being an animal that indicates a transformation from say, a reptile to a monkey, a plant to a jellyfish, or any other transitional species, in any shape, form or fashion, should give one pause (and it is, little as we hear about it) on the exact specifications of evolution as we know it.
This post was edited on 4/9/24 at 4:57 pm
Posted on 4/9/24 at 5:18 pm to mudshuvl05
There are lots of fossils of transitional species in the fossil record.
Posted on 4/9/24 at 5:24 pm to AlxTgr
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I know evolution is fact
Define evolution, please.
Posted on 4/9/24 at 6:14 pm to mudshuvl05
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quote:if evolution isnt true then how does anyone explain the geological columns? The simpler species are in the lower columns, the more complex are in the higher. who said it isn’t? It couldn't be from earlier, simpler life forms being stacked up from extinction level events at an earlier date than the later, more advanced life forms, could it? I don't know. That said, the literally zero fossil evidences of there being an animal that indicates a transformation from say, a reptile to a monkey, a plant to a jellyfish, or any other transitional species, in any shape, form or fashion, should give one pause (and it is, little as we hear about it) on the exact specifications of evolution as we know it.
There are almost endless examples of transitional species. A simple google search would’ve told you that.
Posted on 4/9/24 at 6:23 pm to Prodigal Son
quote:The process of adaption to local environments over generations where individual traits and mutations that are beneficial to the species are promoted through reproduction and those that aren't benificial gradually decline or disappear over time due to less reproductive success?
Define evolution, please.
Posted on 4/9/24 at 6:30 pm to mudshuvl05
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It couldn't be from earlier, simpler life forms being stacked up from extinction level events at an earlier date than the later, more advanced life forms, could it?
Yes. 100%
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That said, the literally zero fossil evidences of there being an animal that indicates a transformation from say, a reptile to a monkey, a plant to a jellyfish, or any other transitional species, in any shape, form or fashion, should give one pause (and it is, little as we hear about it) on the exact specifications of evolution as we know it.
Then how come least complex is on the bottom? Why dont we see a dog in the precambrian?
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