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re: Former Seal: The Captain Phillips sniper shots were really only about 50-75 yds
Posted on 12/10/20 at 11:41 am to Jack Ruby
Posted on 12/10/20 at 11:41 am to Jack Ruby
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"I don't want to burst anyone's bubble, but the shot was probably about 50 to 75 yards. It's not 1,000 yds or 2 miles like everyone says and now thinks. It was really not a hard shot at all. But I'm probably not supposed to say that."
Another little know fact is the life boat was under tow from the back of the Bainbridge. They had started out a a couple of hundred yards and had slowly reeled them in over a couple of hours. By the time they made the shots, they were "point blank range" so to speak. Just a tactically smart thing to do if you ask me.
I've heard Rob O'neal speak on the incident several times. He tells a story of when they were infiltrating a compound in Afghanistan. He was about to turn a corner when he heard a "thud" in front of him. Just over the threshold there was a guy with a belt fed machine gun ready to blast him. One of their sniper had eliminated the threat right before he got there. All he heard over his coms was "You're welcome Rob."
His point in the story was that his team was so well trained that his sniper could tell who he way at over 100 yards away, at night simply by the way he walked and his posture.
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Posted on 12/10/20 at 12:08 pm to Lonnie Utah
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Another little know fact is the life boat was under tow from the back of the Bainbridge.
This was in the damn movie. Not exactly a little known fact. ????
Posted on 12/10/20 at 12:37 pm to EA6B
Facts don’t ever get in the way when it comes to SEALs. Their entire modern story is built on lies...from this incident, the Chris Kyle, to Marcus Lutrell and likely even the UBL raid.
I once heard someway say if you gave the Pike fraternity guns, boats and ammo, they’ed be indistinguishable from Navy SEALs. Same ethos.
I once heard someway say if you gave the Pike fraternity guns, boats and ammo, they’ed be indistinguishable from Navy SEALs. Same ethos.
This post was edited on 12/10/20 at 12:41 pm
Posted on 12/10/20 at 12:39 pm to Lonnie Utah
That’s true, though CIA Ground Branch and FBI HRT are arguably Tier 1 as well. They have the same capabilities.
Posted on 12/10/20 at 1:22 pm to Jack Ruby
People who don't shoot, don't realize how hard it is to hit a target at 100 yards. 75 yards is still not a cake. 
Posted on 12/10/20 at 1:48 pm to DeltaDoc
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DeltaDoc
Dropping some heat on the SEALs
Posted on 12/10/20 at 2:05 pm to bubblehead26
quote:You should read more.
Probably the dumbest thing I've seen in the last 6 months.
It's not uncommon for people to get their nose out of joint when talking about details of the military. Don't know why it be like it is but it do.
Posted on 12/10/20 at 2:06 pm to Jack Ruby
Fun fact: during the same time as BHD, a company of SF troopers had been operating for weeks in Mogadishu with little fanfare and no incidents. Regular SF doing regular SF things has gotten lost in the shuffle in recent years, but door kicking and direct action, while sexy, is not always the best option.
Posted on 12/10/20 at 2:15 pm to Jack Ruby
I never thought it was a long shot
Posted on 12/10/20 at 5:43 pm to Jim Rockford
Yep, Army SF is probably the most well rounded unit of the special operations community. They are a force multiplier by training locals, they are multilingual, they can kick doors, but can also be diplomats. Not as sexy as hell week on the beach, but more useful in war.
Posted on 12/10/20 at 5:51 pm to Jack Ruby
Seals sure do talk a lot
Posted on 12/10/20 at 6:03 pm to dagrippa
"American Sniper" really misled Americans into thinking all sniper shots are taken from long range. Au contraire.
From what I've read, the typical civilian SWAT team sniper shot is taken from somewhat less than 70 yards. So this 50-75 yard explanation falls in line with that observation.
Next time you go to the rifle range, set up a target and 50 yards and have a buddy rock you on your shooting mat or bench and see what success you find.
From what I've read, the typical civilian SWAT team sniper shot is taken from somewhat less than 70 yards. So this 50-75 yard explanation falls in line with that observation.
Next time you go to the rifle range, set up a target and 50 yards and have a buddy rock you on your shooting mat or bench and see what success you find.
Posted on 12/10/20 at 6:04 pm to EA6B
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He should have clarified the rest of the story, 2 of the 3 shots missed their target, the 3rd shot wounded one Somali, the three Somalis were actually killed by one of two SEALs that breached the life boat after the snipers fired. There were a total of 19 rounds fired in the engagement . The $30,000 ransom money was later found to be missing, the SEALs had the last contact with the ransom money, they were all supposed to be polygraphed, but it didn’t happen. It is all in the court transcripts from the proceedings of a lawsuit brought by the surviving Somali pirate, but why let facts mess up a good SEAL story.
Any links to read this side of the story?
Posted on 12/10/20 at 6:09 pm to dagrippa
Lee Harvey hit JFK in the back of the neck at 63 yards and hit him again, in the head, at 88 yards. Sad to say, but that's pretty good shooting with that old Carcano rifle.
Posted on 12/10/20 at 6:20 pm to MDB
American Sniper misled on a lot of things...like reality.
Posted on 12/10/20 at 7:13 pm to OleVaught14
This is what’s called a humble brag
Posted on 12/10/20 at 8:19 pm to MikeD
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Any links to read this side of the story?
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"But the official version that unfolded in the Indian Ocean wasn't as tidy as Hollywood's, or the versions in Phillips' own book or in contemporaneous news reports. In fact, many more than three shots were fired, $30,000 went missing and the integrity of the SEALs was questioned."
"Entering the life raft, they quickly and methodically re-engaged each pirate, making sure there was no more threat," Bissonnette recalls. "They found Phillips tied up in the corner unhurt."
"There were clearly not three shots fired," Weinstein said. "They were riddled with bullets."
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, citing reports that a pirate was pointing an AK-47 rifle at Phillips' back. Navy SEAL snipers, from SEAL Team Six, fired approximately 6-7 shots from Bainbridge's fantail,
So much for the three shots, three kills narative.
Posted on 12/10/20 at 10:23 pm to MDB
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Lee Harvey hit JFK in the back of the neck at 63 yards and hit him again, in the head, at 88 yards. Sad to say, but that's pretty good shooting with that old Carcano rifle.
The older I get the more I take the conspiracy theory seriously. I am hopeful that aside from signing his stack of pardons, Trump declassifies the entire JFK file on his way out.
Posted on 12/10/20 at 10:58 pm to Lonnie Utah
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His point in the story was that his team was so well trained that his sniper could tell who he way at over 100 yards away, at night simply by the way he walked and his posture.
That’s one of those little things about war and combat that you don’t really think about much unless you’re actively doing it. I knew every single guy in my platoon at night just by the way they walked and the shape of their body.
Posted on 12/10/20 at 11:41 pm to Twenty 49
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The hard part was not the distance, 75 feet, an easy range for an experienced sniper. Far more difficult were all the moving parts: the bobbing lifeboat, the rolling ship, hitting three targets simultaneously in darkness - and all without harming the hostage, Capt. Richard Phillips.
This tail is all over the place. 75-80feet show up in linked quote as well as visual image.
I will say, depending on draft of Vessel, a shot inside 100feet, would seem to be a bit of a downward shot unless that ship sits low on slide. Either way... Murica!
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