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UndercoverBryologist
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Forensic dentist recants testimony in 34 year old Alabama rape/murder case.

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Harward’s own case had exposed flaws in the field of forensic dentistry that came to light 34 years after his wrongful conviction for rape and murder.

The McCrory case shared some eerie similarities with his own. He and the others listened as McCrory’s lawyers read an astounding admission from Dr. Richard Souviron, one of the field’s founders and a key witness in the case decades ago.

Nearly four decades later, the expert was no longer sure the bite mark found on the wife’s arm matched McCrory’s teeth.

He didn’t even sound sure anymore that it was a bite mark at all. “I no longer believe, as I did at the time of trial, that there is a valid scientific basis for concluding that the injury found on the skin of the victim in this case, assuming that the injury is in fact teeth marks, could be ‘matched’ or otherwise connected to a specific individual, such as Mr. McCrory,” Souviron wrote.


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McCrory’s attorney, Mark Loudon-Brown of the Southern Center for Human Rights, laid out the problems with the state’s case. “To my knowledge, it is the only case in Alabama where there’s a conviction that stands based on bite mark evidence,” Loudon-Brown said.

But it wasn’t enough to sway Covington County Circuit Judge Lex Short. More than 10 months after the hearing, the judge dismissed the challenge, effectively sending it to the Alabama Court of Criminal Appeals. The next stage will test how Alabama’s judiciary treats evidence that has lost credibility in courts across the country and whether McCrory will join the long list of bite mark exonerees.


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Don’t many of the techniques used in court cases (teeth markings, splatter studies, burn markings) not live up National Academy of Sciences standards? Discussed on JRE
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Apparently forensic dentistry is extremely unreliable contrary to what forensic dentists may claim.

I watched this episode on ID and it was very interesting.


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There’s a lot of forensic science that is just state-sanctioned pseudoscience designed to give juries some comfort in the certainty of the state’s case.


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More than 10 months after the hearing, the judge dismissed the challenge,

Don't get in a hurry there, your honor.
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Prison is easy to land in based on flimsy witness testimony, questionable evidence, and testimony of professional witnesses paid by the prosecution. It's also almost impossible to get out of despite evidence of innocence and recanted testimony. Speed is also usually not a priority when it comes to someone possibly being innocent.

You hear about cases like this all the time too.
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There’s a lot of forensic science that is just state-sanctioned pseudoscience designed to give juries some comfort in the certainty of the state’s case.

How about occult “experts” testifying during Satanic Panic period of the 80s/90s?


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I’m gonna need to see a picture of the guilty guy or possibly read his name to know if he’s really guilty


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Don’t many of the techniques used in court cases (teeth markings, splatter studies, burn markings) not live up National Academy of Sciences standards?


Forensic "scientists" will run uncontrolled tests on unsuitable samples and then get on the stand and testify that their non quality controlled test on an unsuitable sample 100% proves Joe Citizen broke the governments rules. Sometimes you just have to say "I don't know" but they are so convinced that the cops always get the right guy and the DA is always right that they get up on the stand and ruin peoples lives over junk science.

I wonder if they ever reject an unsuitable sample or question what they are even testing.


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Alabama forensic dentist


Souviron isn’t from Alabama and he’s arguably one of the most famous forensic dentists in the world.


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Souviron isn’t from Alabama and he’s arguably one of the most famous forensic dentists in the world.


Fair enough. I’ll move “Alabama” from the adjective describing the dentist to an adjective describing the case.
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Alabama forensic dentist recants testimony in 34 year old rape/murder case
wait they have dentist in Alabama?


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And this is why the death penalty is hard to support. I don’t trust the government and juries to convict the right people.


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Technically, yes. We now know through archaeological finds that the toothbrush was invented in Alabama. If it were invented anywhere else, it would be called a teethbrush.


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wait they have dentist in Alabama?




We did until the liberal ACLU attacked his credibility here. Thanks, now momma is never gonna get her dentures fixed.


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Other state experts in Alabama:


Defense experts:



Perhaps the defense attorneys find qualified experts to better defend their clients


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You can look at that guy and see he’s not guilty


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You can look at that guy and see he’s not guilty


"Hurr, hurr, hurr...Imma derail this informative thread on forensic pseudoscience with some race-baiting...hurr...hurr...hurr."


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Prison is easy to land in based on flimsy witness testimony, questionable evidence, and testimony of professional witnesses paid by the prosecution. It's also almost impossible to get out of despite evidence of innocence and recanted testimony.


Scary af.


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