re: For those who think the Chicago kidnapping is an "isolated incident"

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Easy

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And there's what perpetuates the problem. The majority of blacks want to dismiss the facts and the diseased culture going on within their own communities. Instead they would rather ride a few isolated incidents with authority as scapegoats to distract from the real issues.

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OweO

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Arguing or even discussion with OweO is like wrestling a pig in the mud: both you and the pig get filthy and the pig REALLY likes it.

Monkeys?

Asians immigrants in early America faced discrimation and countless hardships. Now they are usually stereotyped for just being successful. There is a systematic culture crisis among young, poor, urban Americans regardless of their race. It is directly related to their upbringing.


Anyone can succeed if their parentS concentrate on creating a legacy of success. No one can force parents to do that. It will take a few more generations to correct the single family crisis among poor people.

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understand your feelings. I could make you a flow chart to explain my point of view, but I have to get back to cooking.

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That's understandable, lots of people feel that it's just not their problem. I'd argue that as a society we all feel the effects so we should all try to solve it.

You also said that government can't help, I'd disagree. Government can't help through welfare or section 8 but to say that they don't have a role in a more positive manner seems cynical to me. The US government landed people on the moon and helped defeat the Nazis. I think they can at least try to save another generation from being ruined by shitty parenting and shitty culture.

But we probably disagree on that, and that's cool.

Thanks for debating with me! No hard feelings right? I genuinely want to understand. We probably agree that generational single-parenting is everyone's problem.

What should the government do differently they aren't already doing?

What are you doing to address it?

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Thanks for debating with me! No hard feelings right?

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Absolutely, healthy exchange of ideas and light-hearted absurdity are the absolute best aspects of the internet, in my opinion.

As far as what the government or society as a whole can do, I made some suggestions earlier. Mostly beefing up CPS and deincentivize single parentage through loss of benefits.

But at the very minimum, we agree what the problem is, and that is common ground.

Glad you asked (I've been drinking and get a bit preachy, sorry in advance). In my hopelessly optimistic world, we'd have a CPS that checked in on teenage mothers regularly with qualified social workers to make sure that the kids were healthy and making decent grades in school. Your kid is unhealthy or failing school or demonstrating behavioral problems, you get one warning then lose the kid and any benefits.

It would require a huge investment on all of our parts as taxpayers but the benefits that we would see a generation later would be immeasurable.

We'd spend less on prisons and less on benefits in twenty years.

It would also require a good system of state or religious run orphanages to raise these kids properly. But we'd all benefit from less shitty people raised by shitty teenagers.

Whitey lies

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All I can do is do my best for my family and I can't afford to change the world. People need to learn to make it on their own. I am teaching my little son this so he won't be an entitled mooch who can't count money or read a compass.

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Right there with ya. Whenever the little P starts showing any tendency towards blaming anyone but himself for shortcomings I'm quick to correct him. Our kids are lucky, they have decent fathers. Not everyone is that fortunate.

My point is that this will get worse before it gets better and if our government or religious leaders don't step in, it will become a catastrophe.

We need families raising kids, not teenage moms. I'm just not sure on how we go about stopping this downward spiral. You say it's too expensive or invasive, I just don't see many other favorable options.

If you have other options or ideas, I'd love to hear them. But honestly I don't see anyone fixing this other than government at this point.

I hope I'm wrong. But like I said earlier, always good having healthy exchange of ideas