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re: For those of you that hate gay people and transgenders.. why?.
Posted on 12/30/19 at 8:12 am to NATidefan
Posted on 12/30/19 at 8:12 am to NATidefan
This is easy.
Lesbians are okay. No problem there.
Gay guys are tons of fun. Always have a good attitude, very clean and orderly, good with their money, don't leech off of society, increases real estate prices in the neighborhood and don't cause any crime.
Dykes.
Now here's where we have a problem. These people are terrible. Just terrible. I'm not sure I've ever met a pleasant one. They are miserable count and have a serious victim complex. I'm sure there's some nice ones out there but I've never met them. And I grew up in New Orleans, so I've been around a lot of homosexuals.
ETA: I've never known any trannies. Or maybe I've just never noticed.
Lesbians are okay. No problem there.
Gay guys are tons of fun. Always have a good attitude, very clean and orderly, good with their money, don't leech off of society, increases real estate prices in the neighborhood and don't cause any crime.
Dykes.
Now here's where we have a problem. These people are terrible. Just terrible. I'm not sure I've ever met a pleasant one. They are miserable count and have a serious victim complex. I'm sure there's some nice ones out there but I've never met them. And I grew up in New Orleans, so I've been around a lot of homosexuals.
ETA: I've never known any trannies. Or maybe I've just never noticed.
This post was edited on 12/30/19 at 8:14 am
Posted on 12/30/19 at 8:30 am to Kujo
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Incredibly impressed with his trigger discipline.
I think there's hope for this one. Someone sign this boy up for some Midnight Basketball.
Posted on 12/30/19 at 8:37 am to NATidefan
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I'm not religious, but I would get blasted on social media if I said something negative about Christians or religion.
I agree with your equivalency to a degree. My question is, would you be debated, or "attacked" in an incredibly vile manner? In my experience, the "friend of a friend" that inevitably found their way into the thread were basically the gay/trans equivalent of the Westboro Baptist nutjobs
Christianity is shoved in my face all the time... literally.
So you have a LGBTQ equivalency.
Yet, I still dont let it upset me until it starts to impede on my rights.
Let me guess...buying a cake
In my own personal experience, I taught a student that was trans. They wanted to be referred to by their "male name, and male pronouns. I was more than happy to oblige. However, I was also more than aware of the potential legal ramifications concerning my position. We had/have a great rapport and it seems it was a good experience for both of us. Again, though, it wasn't without concerns dealing with job security and potential litigation.
It is what it is.
Lastly, my take..."I don't care what you do, just don't try to ruin my life for disagreeing with you," seems to be a reoccurring belief based on most of the responses in this thread.
Based on your thread title, I'm not sure if the responses were what you expected. Just my .02.
This post was edited on 12/30/19 at 8:39 am
Posted on 12/30/19 at 8:50 am to CHSTigersFan
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shove the gays down our throat
Projection ?
Posted on 12/30/19 at 8:53 am to Rock Floyd
I don’t hate either. Far from it. In fact, in general I believe that consenting adults should be able to dress however they want, do whatever they want to their hair, go by whichever name they choose, and engage in a sexual relationship with any other mentally competent, consenting adult they want. I even think that their right to do all those things should be legally protected. (Just as I think others’ right to express an opposing belief should be protected, ftr.)
I do hate the campaign of propaganda and public shaming that a small minority of individuals — extremists mostly at the “TQ” end of the spectrum — have used to essentially beat the entire population into submission, though. I’m a very live-and-let-live kind of person, and I can’t imagine what it would be like to live with severe gender dysphoria or some sort of gender identity disorder (even if just an intense feeling that you don’t quite fit the mold) for years or decades. I sympathize deeply with those who do and think they deserve both human compassion and the best help and support available. However, it’s like we’ve bent so far backwards trying instead to make life “fair” for this small subset of people (who could easily be categorized as suffering from a type of body dysmorphic disorder) that we’ve fallen off some sort of intellectual cliff into a pit of pseudoscience and negative peer pressure, in complete denial of two realities:
1. Life is never “fair”, especially for people with any number of organic physical or mental issues; and
2. In every other instance where people’s personal desires or perception of themselves differ wildly from objective fact, we don’t handwave those objective facts because they’re uncomfortable and try to create some illusive wish fulfillment scenario. We recognize that the only way to help them feel and function better long-term is to address the incongruous perception at the source, no matter how unpleasant that may be in the short-term.
Can you imagine if a group of people with severe anorexia banded together and demanded that we accept their inherent fatness because it’s their truth and it’s hurtful when we call them dangerously undernourished and in need of medical help, and asserted that the other 99.9% of us are the ones who actually need treatment? Because honestly, when I see schoolbooks that state “some boys have periods” or trans women competing in sports against genetic/phenotypic females, it feels like that’s exactly what’s happening, and somehow we’ve bought into it. It also feels about as cruel and futile to me as telling people with anorexia that goodness, they really ARE fat and we’ll do everything we can to help them starve themselves because we don’t want to hurt their feelings and/or open ourselves up to being bullied in the name of progressivism.
I do hate the campaign of propaganda and public shaming that a small minority of individuals — extremists mostly at the “TQ” end of the spectrum — have used to essentially beat the entire population into submission, though. I’m a very live-and-let-live kind of person, and I can’t imagine what it would be like to live with severe gender dysphoria or some sort of gender identity disorder (even if just an intense feeling that you don’t quite fit the mold) for years or decades. I sympathize deeply with those who do and think they deserve both human compassion and the best help and support available. However, it’s like we’ve bent so far backwards trying instead to make life “fair” for this small subset of people (who could easily be categorized as suffering from a type of body dysmorphic disorder) that we’ve fallen off some sort of intellectual cliff into a pit of pseudoscience and negative peer pressure, in complete denial of two realities:
1. Life is never “fair”, especially for people with any number of organic physical or mental issues; and
2. In every other instance where people’s personal desires or perception of themselves differ wildly from objective fact, we don’t handwave those objective facts because they’re uncomfortable and try to create some illusive wish fulfillment scenario. We recognize that the only way to help them feel and function better long-term is to address the incongruous perception at the source, no matter how unpleasant that may be in the short-term.
Can you imagine if a group of people with severe anorexia banded together and demanded that we accept their inherent fatness because it’s their truth and it’s hurtful when we call them dangerously undernourished and in need of medical help, and asserted that the other 99.9% of us are the ones who actually need treatment? Because honestly, when I see schoolbooks that state “some boys have periods” or trans women competing in sports against genetic/phenotypic females, it feels like that’s exactly what’s happening, and somehow we’ve bought into it. It also feels about as cruel and futile to me as telling people with anorexia that goodness, they really ARE fat and we’ll do everything we can to help them starve themselves because we don’t want to hurt their feelings and/or open ourselves up to being bullied in the name of progressivism.
Posted on 12/30/19 at 9:08 am to DeepBlueSea
I agree with most of that. Although the comparison to anorexia seems to be a reach, only because of how it physically affects someone. Most people with gender identity disorder are capable of living normal lives. Sure they battle some mental demons, and likely many of them very similar to someone who feels the need to purge after a meal. But the identity disorder in and of itself doesn’t cause them physical harm.
As for the fairness of life, I couldn’t agree more. You’re always going to be viewed in a certain light in society based on things within and out of your control. If you choose to dress like a girl when you clearly are a boy, you’re going to get weird looks. People are going to wonder why you are the way you are. You can’t change human nature.
As for the fairness of life, I couldn’t agree more. You’re always going to be viewed in a certain light in society based on things within and out of your control. If you choose to dress like a girl when you clearly are a boy, you’re going to get weird looks. People are going to wonder why you are the way you are. You can’t change human nature.
Posted on 12/30/19 at 9:11 am to NATidefan
Nobody actually hates them.
Personally and probably others, are grossed out by the thought of homosexuality.
Some call it homophobia, but that would imply fear of homosexuals and I don't think anyone is "affraid" of them.
Transgenders are just fricked up idiots and are mentally ill.
Personally and probably others, are grossed out by the thought of homosexuality.
Some call it homophobia, but that would imply fear of homosexuals and I don't think anyone is "affraid" of them.
Transgenders are just fricked up idiots and are mentally ill.
Posted on 12/30/19 at 9:15 am to NATidefan
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I'm not religious, but I would get blasted on social media if I said something negative about Christians or religion. Christianity is shoved in my face all the time... literally. Yet, I still dont let it upset me until it starts to impede on my rights.
What you just posted about Christianity is probably how 99% of people feel about homosexuality, yet here we are in a thread you started worried about how other people think/feel about an issue
Posted on 12/30/19 at 9:18 am to jchamil
99% of people don’t feel that way about homosexuality. Simply untrue in today’s USA. It’s virtually accepted everywhere at this point.
This post was edited on 12/30/19 at 9:20 am
Posted on 12/30/19 at 9:27 am to Rock Floyd
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This guy, Probably the only one with a job. Bought and paid for that truck and carries his own weight and that of his family.
And his daughter is the one in the pic showing her arse, who'll get knocked up by the thug. Trash begets trash.
End the trash cycle.
Posted on 12/30/19 at 9:28 am to NATidefan
is it okay to disagree with their lifestyle yet , not hate them?
Posted on 12/30/19 at 9:44 am to Tempratt
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Personally and probably others, are grossed out by the thought of homosexuality.
People are grossed out by eating frog legs, they must hate cajuns!
Posted on 12/30/19 at 10:09 am to NATidefan
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What's your reasoning?
The prevalence of homosexuality in our culture is a symptom of a profoundly disordered social norm. I don't hate gays......I just want them to reject homosexuality and return to living a strictly heterosexual lifestyle. In addition I want (and expect) that our leaders, educators, and clergy support a culture where the traditional heterosexual model is the norm.......not the exception and above all NOT A CHOICE.
Homosexuality by its very nature ignores the obvious social and physical attributes of male and female. Homosexuality is disordered. It is NOT normal.
If folks insist on creating a culture where gender assignment is arbitrary then we run the risk of collasping the culture.
Bottom line, I reject accusing a person of hating homosexuals simply because they don't approve of the lifestyle. That my friend is dangerous.
This post was edited on 12/30/19 at 10:21 am
Posted on 12/30/19 at 10:23 am to GeorgePaton
Homosexuality has been present in humans for centuries, so I reject your notion that it is abnormal. Further, sexual acts often associated with homosexuality are also very common in heterosexual couples. Anal sex, oral sex, masturbation, etc., so I'd also argue those acts are normal.
If heterosexual couples were only having penis-vagina intercourse for procreation, then you'd maybe have a point. They don't. The vast majority of heterosexual intercourse is for pleasure and enjoyment.
If heterosexual couples were only having penis-vagina intercourse for procreation, then you'd maybe have a point. They don't. The vast majority of heterosexual intercourse is for pleasure and enjoyment.
Posted on 12/30/19 at 10:24 am to cas4t
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I agree with most of that. Although the comparison to anorexia seems to be a reach, only because of how it physically affects someone. Most people with gender identity disorder are capable of living normal lives. Sure they battle some mental demons, and likely many of them very similar to someone who feels the need to purge after a meal. But the identity disorder in and of itself doesn’t cause them physical harm.
I see your point on that and actually had the same thought. Ultimately I went ahead with the comparison because anorexia is better known and understood by the general public than other forms of body dysmorphic disorder. Also, the suicide rates for people who are transgender are way too high even after transition for me to feel comfortable saying that severe gender dysphoria doesn’t pose a serious threat to their physical well-being. Different mechanism than anorexia, obviously, but to me to the critical issue is that if both conditions have the potential to result in an inordinate number of dead patients then I don’t see how we justify taking the exact opposite approach to treatment.
It really is something I struggle with because I strongly support individual rights and freedoms, and I think it has to be an intensely painful and isolating situation. I’m just not sure we’ve got to the right answer here because no matter how many laws or attitudes we change, or how many drugs, hormones, or surgical procedures we provide, at the end of the day none of those things will resolve the core issue for people who are trans. Their personal history, their chromosomes, their phenotype, their current and future sexual relationships, etc. are subject to certain immutable facts and will always serve as a reminder that they’ll never fully experience life as their preferred gender.
I agree that a transgender person who has a strong mind and a healthy support system can absolutely overcome those issues and live a normal life. However (just thinking out loud here), wouldn’t those issues represent a less extreme but fundamentally similar version of the issues they were already struggling with? In the end, gender dysphoric individuals still have to find a way to adapt and learn to separate subjective gender norms from objective biological facts to be functional and fulfilled, regardless of whether they transition or not (or how they go about it). My question is whether we should focus on that issue first, rather than promising more immediate gratification through means that are invasive, often carry unexpected consequences, and can’t possibly deliver the result that people truly desire — which is to have been born as the opposite gender in every sense. Unfortunately, that’s not something that’s in anyone’s power to grant.
I’m afraid it’s fool’s gold. Well-intentioned fool’s gold, but still false and potentially just as hurtful. And the biggest problem is that if you try to say so (or merely question the status quo), even out of genuine compassion or concern, you run the risk of being relentlessly bullied — if not outright ruined.
Posted on 12/30/19 at 10:56 am to NATidefan
They are different. I don't know anyone who hates people because they are gay. I know a lot of people who are scared of transgender people because they are mentally unstable.
Posted on 12/30/19 at 10:56 am to The Spleen
Gay grosses me out. Sorry.
Two masculine dudes together is strange to me. To masculine lesbians together is strange to me. Two feminine dudes together is strange to me.
Two feminine girls together is the least strange only because I find them both attractive.
From the political side I believe in partner rights but not necessarily gay marriage. It is not at the same level because it has no potential to have biological children. Marriage should be celebrated for the sake of strong families. And society should be helping this not hurting this.
Partnerships or unions can be allowed but to blur the lines is dishonest. For now there is no reason to not marry a brother or your hot sister. Because culture has said love is love.
I agree that love is love but that doesnt mean there are no standards. I love ice cream more than broccoli. Cant treat each the same.
I have gay relatives and friends and co workers. Love them all the same as anyone else. Love is love after all. It is not attractive to me how they are in this domain of their lives and scripture shows it to be sinful or in the most liberal vantage point questionable. I would never look to ban it or punish people for it as I would hope those on the other side would not hope to ban or punish my feelings on the matter. After all, my feelings are normal too.
Two masculine dudes together is strange to me. To masculine lesbians together is strange to me. Two feminine dudes together is strange to me.
Two feminine girls together is the least strange only because I find them both attractive.
From the political side I believe in partner rights but not necessarily gay marriage. It is not at the same level because it has no potential to have biological children. Marriage should be celebrated for the sake of strong families. And society should be helping this not hurting this.
Partnerships or unions can be allowed but to blur the lines is dishonest. For now there is no reason to not marry a brother or your hot sister. Because culture has said love is love.
I agree that love is love but that doesnt mean there are no standards. I love ice cream more than broccoli. Cant treat each the same.
I have gay relatives and friends and co workers. Love them all the same as anyone else. Love is love after all. It is not attractive to me how they are in this domain of their lives and scripture shows it to be sinful or in the most liberal vantage point questionable. I would never look to ban it or punish people for it as I would hope those on the other side would not hope to ban or punish my feelings on the matter. After all, my feelings are normal too.
Posted on 12/30/19 at 11:00 am to PiscesTiger
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strong disliking for uber-tiny-minority groups trying to shove their ideals down my throat
This.
I dont care if you are gay. I got plenty of shite to worry about on my own much less who you like to frick.
I just dislike the members of this group who feel the need to project this on others and make it known to the world who they like.
i dont press my beliefs on others and i'd appreciate if you dont either. They just want attention imo
Posted on 12/30/19 at 11:06 am to NATidefan
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For those of you that hate gay people and transgenders.. why?.
I don't hate the gheyz nor the trannies. What I do hate is their agenda. "Acceptance" has slowly become a demand for "Enthusiastic Acceptance" that will soon include participation if we're not careful.
Posted on 12/30/19 at 11:36 am to TIGRLEE
Deleted. Not even worth my time.
This post was edited on 12/30/19 at 11:40 am
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