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re: for the "there are good public schools in the suburbs" crowd
Posted on 9/23/21 at 10:38 am to The Spleen
Posted on 9/23/21 at 10:38 am to The Spleen
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Based on what my high school kids tell me, I don't think it's declined enough to where we should dust off our hands and move on from it. I also don't think we should elevate anti-gay bullying over other bullying, but if what my kids tell me is accurate, it's the predominant form of bullying at their school.
Fair enough
Although I have the rather unpopular and conflicted opinion that the war on bullying is creating weaker kids while also recognizing the brutality of adolescent bullying.
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Posted on 9/23/21 at 10:39 am to BamaGradinTn
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What the frick are you even talking about? Did you even bother to rub two brain cells together before you typed that?
Read my earlier post/response to him about what's really happening in the "counseling center"
Posted on 9/23/21 at 10:39 am to GreatLakesTiger24
quote:There are much bigger issues than this, and one can think this is stupid. But it doesn't really make sense to protest this specifically.
IRVING, Texas — Hundreds of students walked out of MacArthur High School on Wednesday in protest after teachers were allegedly forced to take down "safe space" stickers on their classroom doors.
The students could be seen walking onto the school's football field and around the building during the afternoon.
Students told WFAA that two teachers who sponsor the school's Gay-Straight Alliance Club handed out "safe space" stickers to all teachers for them to put on their doors if they were comfortable having discussions with students who identified as LGBTQIA+.
This directly has no effect on the students who protested. Now, if the application of this had or has an effect, I get it. But based on what is quoted in the OP, there is nothing in it that states any person has been negatively affected by this.
Those protesting basically sound like they're being snowflakes and reacting to something that has no effect on them.
Posted on 9/23/21 at 10:40 am to LSUFanHouston
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Gay kids still struggle through school a lot more than non-gay kids.
Because they make themselves targets. I agree kids shouldn't be little shits, but stop bringing this shite on yourselves to the point that you need safe spaces.
Posted on 9/23/21 at 10:40 am to LSUFanHouston
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Read my earlier post/response to him about what's really happening in the "counseling center"
Then fix that problem.
Posted on 9/23/21 at 10:40 am to lsupride87
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This isn’t unique to public schools. The only reason private schools are worth the money in south LA is because your kid will be surrounded by kids whose families support them and hold them accountable in life. The teachers aren’t anything special
If you can find a public school in south LA where the student makeup is from good solid families, I think private is a waste of money
Now show many the public, non-magnet, non-charter, non-selective public schools where this is the case.
I can think of Mandeville, partly Fontainebleau, and Zachary off the top of my head. I’m honestly asking where else
Posted on 9/23/21 at 10:40 am to Oilfieldbiology
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It is awful, but 2 out of a mega graduating class at a 6A Texas high school that has 1,000 kids per grade level and 3 kids out of a 35 person class is starkly different no?
If we are studying statistics, sure.
2 is too many.
Posted on 9/23/21 at 10:41 am to LSUFanHouston
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Some kids develop rapport with teachers and turn to those teachers for help with personal issues. I see it with my wife who is a teacher. She never tells me about the particular issues or kids, but often tells me about how she stayed after school to help a kid with a personal issue or chatted with a kid during lunch, etc.
She’s cheating on you baw.
Just kidding. You’re absolutely right about what you said in this post.
Posted on 9/23/21 at 10:42 am to The Spleen
quote:Does the Safe Space sticker's presence really mean anything, puddin'? Sounds coercive in that any teacher who didn't want the sticker on their door would be interpreted by the self-absorbed as clearly an evil homophobe.
Good for those students
Posted on 9/23/21 at 10:42 am to BamaGradinTn
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Then fix that problem.
Sure... but telling kids that they shouldn't go talk to teachers, and instead should go to the "counseling center" before said problem is fixed... is an awful idea.
I know this is the O-T... but people are talking out of their backsides here with no knowledge of the issues at hand.
Posted on 9/23/21 at 10:43 am to Oilfieldbiology
quote:I named those 3 plus Dutchtown
Now show many the public, non-magnet, non-charter, non-selective public schools where this is the case.
I can think of Mandeville, partly Fontainebleau, and Zachary off the top of my head. I’m honestly asking where else
I didn’t say they were in large supply in south la. Sadly, just 30 years ago, BR was stacked with good Public schools. Nothing changed about the school or curriculum, the “Jimmy’s and Joe’s” changed though
Posted on 9/23/21 at 10:44 am to BamaGradinTn
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Again, it's polarizing. Teachers who don't have the sticker are perceived as being bigots. Your "inclusionary" sticker sets that teacher apart from other teachers, and vice versa.
It should be made abundantly clear to all students that there are trained counselors in the counseling center that are available anytime.
That’s fair and I agree completely.
Posted on 9/23/21 at 10:45 am to Jake88
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Does the Safe Space sticker's presence really mean anything, puddin'? Sounds coercive in that any teacher who didn't want the sticker on their door would be interpreted by the self-absorbed as clearly an evil homophobe.
One day I'd like to turn on the news and hear of students staging a walk out over something like "I just finished 11th grade and I've yet to hear anything about the Ottoman Empire"
Posted on 9/23/21 at 10:46 am to Pettifogger
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One day I'd like to turn on the news and hear of students staging a walk out over something like "I just finished 11th grade and I've yet to hear anything about the Ottoman Empire"
How about the Armenian Genocide?
Posted on 9/23/21 at 10:48 am to Pettifogger
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Although I have the rather unpopular and conflicted opinion that the war on bullying is creating weaker kids while also recognizing the brutality of adolescent bullying.
We're probably not that far apart here. I think we label some stuff bullying that's mostly just kids being kids. I moved to a new school in 3rd grade and by today's standards was bullied because I was the new kid. It absolutely sucked at the time and I hated my parents for a few weeks for putting me in a new school where I was subjected to it. Looking back, I'm not sure I was actually bullied. The teasing only happened the first few days, and wasn't all that mean spirited. It never got physical that I recall, but it did have a psychological effect on me at the time, but I quickly got over it.
Posted on 9/23/21 at 10:48 am to Pettifogger
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More than fat kids? Than offbeat kids? Etc.? Based on what metric?
Yes. Go ask a teacher, a principal, an administrator, hell, go ask the non-gay kids who see it every day.
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And I note you have nothing to say about the concept that dramatically emphasizing the difference - "SAFE SPACE HERE" - is counterproductive. It implies "you're not safe out there" despite almost all evidence to the contrary.
To me, "Safe Space" is like "Climate Change" - it's taken on a definition that varies based upon your political stance.
It simply means... "I'm here for you... you can confide in me". Teenagers struggle, A LOT, with confiding in adults. Especially if their parents aren't supporting them (which happens a lot more often because a kid is gay, compared to a kid who is fat).
Life is a range... a teacher without a "safe space" sticker doesn't mean the teacher hates gay kids. The sticker was just trying to say, hey, let's be clear, if you need someone to talk to, come talk to me.
No one, actually no one, is hurt by that. It won't help too many kids either... but if it helps a few kids and hurts no kids... what's the issue exactly?
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Sure, we're the crazy ones for suggesting that the modern emphasis on class, race, sexuality distinctions that conveniently coincides with spiking rates of mental illness diagnoses and steady increases in suicide rates might be a bad thing.
Wait, someone earlier said suicide rates for gays are down because "the country is more accepting". Which is it?
We have spiking rates of mental illness because we as a society have gutted our capacity to care for mental illness... because the progressive left feels that we need to mainstream everyone, and the conservative right feels it's more important to have tax cuts than mental health resources.
Posted on 9/23/21 at 10:48 am to LoveThatMoney
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How about the Armenian Genocide?
I would say yes, but it's too politically tinged for my hypo
Posted on 9/23/21 at 10:49 am to BamaGradinTn
quote:This is correct but not always realistic.
There's an entire department at the school whose explicit function is to be a safe space for students to have those discussions with professionals...the counseling center. Every student...regardless of their particular issue...should know that they can walk into a counselor's office and talk about anything.
Many of the times kids don't even know their counselors and have never spoke to them. On the flip side, many kids develop good relationships(no not THAT kind, but sometimes THAT kind lol) where they feel comfortable talking with that teacher as opposed to a counselor who is essentially a stranger.
Posted on 9/23/21 at 10:49 am to LSUFanHouston
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assume this principal would take down a 10 commandments poster with the quickness, right?
Here's the deal. No one is being hurt by these stickers being up. No one is being targeted by these stickers being up.
Absolutely. It’s a public school, religion/religious posters would be yanked with a quickness.
Agree to disagree, maybe a teacher doesn’t feel qualified or comfortable discussing sexual identify or preference in their classroom so they don’t put up a sticker. How would the advocates treat that teacher? How would a more activist minded administration?
We know the answers
Posted on 9/23/21 at 10:51 am to LSUFanHouston
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Sure... there a few gay teen activists. Very few. Most gay teens just want to be left TF alone. They aren't "forcing" the QB to dump the cheerleader girlfriend and ask the gay math nerd on a date.
Acceptance doesn't mean you like it or even support it. It simply means you aren't a prick to the kid because of it.
This past decade we have moved so damn far past “you do you let me do me” I can’t believe you posted this as a serious response.
It’s no longer appropriate to be tolerant of others life choices, you now have to accept them as a correct lifestyle.
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