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re: FOR SALE: Corner of Bluebonnet and Jefferson
Posted on 8/1/17 at 10:14 am to Rohan
Posted on 8/1/17 at 10:14 am to Rohan
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It was posted in the Advocate, the New Orleans Advocate, and the Acadiana Advocate on 11/21/16, 11/28/16. and 12/5/16.
Nobody was paying attention
Advertised during the holidays and no one took note.
And why wasn't the owner of the property paying attention? Do they just auction away property without having any idea as to what the property is worth? It seems like it.
The whole deal smells and like others here suggested, it should have been nullified.
Posted on 8/1/17 at 10:17 am to sneakytiger
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The land was sold at public auction, right?
Opportunity only dances with those on the dance floor.
Posted on 8/1/17 at 10:20 am to doubleb
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And why wasn't the owner of the property paying attention? Do they just auction away property without having any idea as to what the property is worth? It seems like it.
The city owned the property. From the link:
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That initiated a push by Heck to shed some of the city-parish land in his district that was not being used, citing a “fiduciary responsibility.” If the city could sell the land and then reap the property taxes, it would be a win-win for the cash-strapped local budget, he reasoned.
One of those pieces was the Jefferson Highway and Bluebonnet Boulevard corner site, which the city had obtained during the construction of Bluebonnet Boulevard.
ETA: city-parish, not City of Baton Rouge, sorry.
This post was edited on 8/1/17 at 10:22 am
Posted on 8/1/17 at 10:20 am to doubleb
EBR was the owner. The land was deemed as surplus by the city/parish and sold. The auction itself was all done by the book. They got lucky and nobody else showed up. Now whether the Metro Council should have approved the sale at such a low amount is worth discussing.
Posted on 8/1/17 at 10:40 am to Supermoto Tiger
Legislative Auditor now investigating
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But ultimately, the Louisiana Constitution prohibits “things of value” of political subdivisions from being donated, Purpera says, except in certain circumstances. He says Baton Rouge is at odds with that provision by selling land at what amounts to a steep discount.
He says the city-parish failed to create an atmosphere of competition at the auction if only one bidder showed up—and with a $10,000 sale, taxpayer dollars were essentially given away.
“If the land is worth $100,000 and you sell it at $50,000 just because your process was not good, you gave away $50,000,” Purpera says. “You can’t do that.”
Purpera points to the state law and also state Attorney General opinions that he says require municipalities to sell land at fair market value—and if they don’t, to justify why they are selling it for cheaper.
This post was edited on 8/1/17 at 10:44 am
Posted on 8/1/17 at 10:50 am to Supermoto Tiger
LINK
—Sam Karlin
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The Louisiana Legislative Auditor is investigating East Baton Rouge Parish for its handling of land sales after a developer bought a 50,000-square-foot corner lot at Jefferson Highway and Bluebonnet Boulevard for just $10,000 at auction last year.
“It’s definitely got the eyebrows raised,” says Legislative Auditor Daryl Purpera, who launched an investigation after reading about the unusual sale in Daily Report on Monday.
The sale closed in February and was the latest move by the city-parish to shed land the Metro Council deemed surplus. But because the city-parish did not get an appraisal done for the property, there was no floor price for the tract when the city held an auction late last year.
Developer Radu Cosman was the only person who showed up for the auction and walked away with the land after his $10,000 bid was accepted. Cosman got the land for roughly 20 cents per square foot, and the Metro Council subsequently approved the sale unanimously and without discussion. Former Metro Councilman Ryan Heck, who represented the area in which the land is located, carried the deal through the process. He denies there was anything improper about the deal and has said he was only trying to carry out his “fiduciary responsibility” to sell surplus property in his district.
“Our reading of the law is that they can declare it surplus, but they have to sell it for market value,” Purpera says. “I don’t know how you do that short of an appraisal.”
Parish Attorney Lea Anne Batson says state law backs up the city-parish. As long as the land is sold at auction and not at a private sale, she argues, the city doesn’t have to appraise the land or set a floor price.
But ultimately, the Louisiana Constitution prohibits “things of value” of political subdivisions from being donated, Purpera says, except in certain circumstances. He says Baton Rouge is at odds with that provision by selling land at what amounts to a steep discount.
He says the city-parish failed to create an atmosphere of competition at the auction if only one bidder showed up—and with a $10,000 sale, taxpayer dollars were essentially given away.
“If the land is worth $100,000 and you sell it at $50,000 just because your process was not good, you gave away $50,000,” Purpera says. “You can’t do that.”
Purpera points to the state law and also state Attorney General opinions that he says require municipalities to sell land at fair market value—and if they don’t, to justify why they are selling it for cheaper.
While it’s unclear how much the plot of land is worth, local real estate experts say Cosman got an incredible deal. Cosman plans to build a light commercial or office development on the property.
Planning Director Frank Duke says the tract is currently zoned residential, but he fully expects someone to request it to be rezoned for development.
“The narrow depth of the parcel is going to create something of a design challenge,” Duke says. “I think it can be overcome, but you’re going to have to be creative in how you do it.”
A slightly larger corner lot directly across the street from Cosman’s tract sold last year for nearly $1 million, or around $15 per square foot. Covington-based Resource Bank is now developing the property.
—Sam Karlin
Posted on 8/1/17 at 10:53 am to doubleb
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Do they just auction away property without having any idea as to what the property is worth?
Their are very specific state laws with regards to public property auctions that must be followed to secure the title. The owner was notified through certified mail accordingly, I would assume.
Hundreds of sales like this happen monthly throughout the state. The only thing that makes this one different is the large payout. Kudos to the guy that found it, and he doesn't owe the parish/city another cent if the state laws were followed. He did all the ground work, took the financial risk, and in the end got extremely lucky.
This post was edited on 8/1/17 at 10:55 am
Posted on 8/1/17 at 10:55 am to mikelbr
quote:Why didn't you bid on it?
This stinks and the taxpayers in the city ought not let this slide. This literally took ~$900k out of our parish budget.
Posted on 8/1/17 at 10:57 am to doubleb
quote:Know how I know you didn't read the link?
And why wasn't the owner of the property paying attention?
Posted on 8/1/17 at 11:07 am to LSURussian
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Why didn't you bid on it?
I certainly would have had I known about it. Better yet, why didn't the parish slap a huge "FOR SALE" sign in the front of the property with information about the auction below it?
Posted on 8/1/17 at 11:30 am to StinkBait72
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The owner was notified through certified mail accordingly, I would assume.
This was surplus land already owned by EBR Parish - it wasn't a tax sale.
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Kudos to the guy that found it, and he doesn't owe the parish/city another cent if the state laws were followed.
That's the question. I'm sure there are property developers who watch for public auction notices constantly. It seems hard to believe that this was the only one to show up to bid on a corner lot on a heavily traveled road in one of the nicer areas of town.
Posted on 8/1/17 at 11:35 am to Dorothy
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ETA: city-parish, not City of Baton Rouge, sorry.
I know who the owner was, and obviously the City-Parish didn't know what they were doing. No one cared. Or no one was told to care.
Posted on 8/1/17 at 11:38 am to StinkBait72
If the property was soldvwithout an appraisal, I do not believe state laws were followed.
If the city, the parish and the state can buy or sell public property without getting an appraisal I would be surprised.
If the city, the parish and the state can buy or sell public property without getting an appraisal I would be surprised.
This post was edited on 8/1/17 at 11:45 am
Posted on 8/1/17 at 11:39 am to Box Geauxrilla
quote:How do you know the city didn't do that? I've seen public auction for sale signs posted on properties many times by the city.
why didn't the parish slap a huge "FOR SALE" sign in the front of the property with information about the auction below it?
The area of that corner lot property is not in my normal driving pattern so I can't say if a sign was posted or not. The linked article in the OP says all required public notices were done by the city.
Posted on 8/1/17 at 11:44 am to LSURussian
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Know how I know you didn't read the link?
Which link are you talking about?
I know what happened. The owner sold the property to a connected developer. The owner is either the city or the parish.
The owner didn't look out for their interests and the connected developed took the property for a song.
What else is there to know. The taxpayers got screwed becsuse our govt. officials either were on the take or they just didn't care about what they were doing.
Posted on 8/1/17 at 11:49 am to LSURussian
But they didn't get an appraisal.
I wonder too if Heck and the Council had to approve the sale and whether or not Heck was aware of the sale price, the sale, and who bought it before the sale was approved.
But maybe like Silkie Slim's deal, maybe sales this small do not get Council approval.
Perhaps our administration is do into that stuff like this is easily explainable.
I wonder too if Heck and the Council had to approve the sale and whether or not Heck was aware of the sale price, the sale, and who bought it before the sale was approved.
But maybe like Silkie Slim's deal, maybe sales this small do not get Council approval.
Perhaps our administration is do into that stuff like this is easily explainable.
Posted on 8/1/17 at 11:51 am to Brummy
From the EBR website: LINK
Now I don't know if this property was adjudicated since the article doesn't clarify it, but if it was the Parish would not be required to get an appraisal.
With respect to the notification, all parties still holding any interest (including heirs) would have been notified multiple times about the auction. It is also required that the general public is notified through the newspaper. If neither of these things were done this will end up in court and cost the taxpayers more money in the end.
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What Is Adjudicated Property?
In general terms, adjudicated property is property that has been placed in state or local government hands because property taxes have not been paid. Louisiana law allows the governmental body having jurisdiction over the property to sell the property.
May The Parish Sell All Adjudicated Property?
The Parish is authorized to only sell property which has been adjudicated since January 1, 1975, that is abandoned (vacant or not lawfully occupied) and that is considered surplus or no longer needed by the Parish for a public purpose. The Louisiana State Land Office External web link not maintained by City of Baton Rouge manages property that was adjudicated before January 1, 1975.
Now I don't know if this property was adjudicated since the article doesn't clarify it, but if it was the Parish would not be required to get an appraisal.
With respect to the notification, all parties still holding any interest (including heirs) would have been notified multiple times about the auction. It is also required that the general public is notified through the newspaper. If neither of these things were done this will end up in court and cost the taxpayers more money in the end.
Posted on 8/1/17 at 11:55 am to doubleb
quote:Which refutes your post above that I replied to about "the owner not paying attention."
I know what happened. The owner sold the property to a connected developer. The owner is either the city or the parish.
The owner, the city-parish, put the property up for sale and followed all required public notice rules according to the article linked in the OP.
Unless you can provide a link saying the C-P is required to get an appraisal for public property, then your other statements are irrelevant red herring bloviating.
Posted on 8/1/17 at 11:59 am to doubleb
quote:Again, you've proven you didn't read the link in the OP. It specify states the sale had to be approved by the C-P Council.
I wonder too if Heck and the Council had to approve the sale
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When the sale went before the Metro Council, no one batted an eye. In fact, the council had to approve several measures to allow the land to be designated as surplus, go to auction and approve the auction,
quote:Huh?
Perhaps our administration is do into that stuff like this is easily explainable.
This post was edited on 8/1/17 at 12:00 pm
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