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re: Foam insulation in new construction

Posted on 11/10/18 at 8:15 am to
Posted by Croozin2
Somewhere on the water
Member since Dec 2004
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Posted on 11/10/18 at 8:15 am to
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What happens with a tin roof?


Good question. I would think you’d be fine, but can’t say that I’ve spoken to my buddy about metal roofing or any degradation they may suffer.
Posted by saderade
America's City
Member since Jul 2005
26238 posts
Posted on 11/10/18 at 8:18 am to
I have it in my house and it’s been great. It’s nice to have a climate controlled attic and my A/C tonnage is definitely less than what would be without the spray foam.
Posted by NYNolaguy1
Member since May 2011
21692 posts
Posted on 11/10/18 at 8:24 am to
Have seen it used very effectively in basements along the foundation wall, but Louisiana is not exactly known for having basements .

That said research the differences between open and closed cell foam and figure out what is best for you.
Posted by olemc999
At a blackjack table
Member since Oct 2010
15062 posts
Posted on 11/10/18 at 8:25 am to
Happy this thread was started. I am gonna be building a pier and beam log cabin with a tin roof and no attic/open ceiling, wrap around deck and about 2250-2500 square ft.
Posted by olemc999
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Member since Oct 2010
15062 posts
Posted on 11/10/18 at 8:28 am to
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Louisiana is not exactly known for having basements


That's gotta be South Louisiana right, but I thought North Louisiana would have basements cause I thought that was in tornado alley. I'm ignorant of your part of the world though.
Posted by Magicmikeforlsu
Cenla
Member since Oct 2012
1771 posts
Posted on 11/10/18 at 8:29 am to
most installers aren't using closed cell anymore especially in the attic. I sprayed my entire new construction home and I'm happy with the results. if I were to build again, I'd spray foam the attic and cellulose the walls.
Posted by ItNeverRains
Offugeaux
Member since Oct 2007
28166 posts
Posted on 11/10/18 at 8:47 am to
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Yeah I’ve heard that too but there is another camp that says houses don’t need to breathe. Even with regular fiberglass insulation, houses these days are tight compared to 50 years ago.
I built my house in 2015 and went with spray in from concrete to roof tip. No issues and my heating/ cooling system has no problems. Even went half ton less on the outdoor unit. More and more people are going with the spray in.
I like it because when i go in the attic it is cool and I can see all my wiresu and plumbing without having to dig around in insulation.


Circulation is always important. And a tight house saves $. Going with closed cell spray and installing a fresh air intake allows you to both without any cause for concern. If you are on a crawl closing and encapsulated crawl with intake for crawl is only way to go as well. Spend the money on the bones. Aluminum clad casement windows & ZIP system and you are living worry free for a long time
Posted by tacotiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2007
991 posts
Posted on 11/10/18 at 8:50 am to
Since you mentioned windows what is the story with vinyl windows. Looking to build and the contractor mentioned this
Posted by fishfighter
RIP
Member since Apr 2008
40026 posts
Posted on 11/10/18 at 8:54 am to
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I gotta dumb question for ya, how is a log cabin insulated?


Most are not insulated. Logs have a natural R value of about R13. All depends on the size of logs used and chinking.
Posted by soccerfüt
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Member since May 2013
72740 posts
Posted on 11/10/18 at 8:57 am to
quote:

How well do you trust your roofers?
Open Cell vs Closed Cell Foam

Open cell beneath roofed areas allows for leakage sites to be found.

Closed cell on interior and vertical walls for maximum insulation value.
Posted by fishfighter
RIP
Member since Apr 2008
40026 posts
Posted on 11/10/18 at 9:08 am to
I used vinyl windows in my build. Really no difference in installing them. Will they transfer more or less heat/cold. Don't know yet.
Posted by sabanisarustedspoke
Member since Jan 2007
5654 posts
Posted on 11/10/18 at 10:17 am to
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Cost not really the issue. Just want to hear testimonials... I like it but Ms. Nagin has concerns.





Spoken like an OT BOSS
Posted by tigeraddict
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2007
14379 posts
Posted on 11/10/18 at 10:43 am to
Great if done right. But windows need to be quality as well. On the HVAC system you need to add a 3” or 4” outside air duct tap as your house can get stale. Bet to install a 24v motorized damper interlocked with fan blower.

If doing attic as well then your gas water heater will need to be forced draft and have a ducted combustion air duct.
Posted by FrenchToast
The French Kitchen
Member since Jan 2016
1810 posts
Posted on 11/10/18 at 10:47 am to
About to start a new project myself. Will go with this technology, maybe even geothermal too. Vinyl windows would be a weak point, IMHO.
Posted by ItNeverRains
Offugeaux
Member since Oct 2007
28166 posts
Posted on 11/10/18 at 11:04 am to
quote:

since you mentioned windows what is the story with vinyl windows. Looking to build and the contractor mentioned this


Lowest cost to you. Single hung vinyl are basic builder grade window. All windows are low e windows nowadays so way better than they used to be. Aluminum Clad casement is most attractive and efficient.

If anything I’d upgrade to vinyl casement vs basic single hung vinyl.
Posted by kengel2
Team Gun
Member since Mar 2004
33499 posts
Posted on 11/10/18 at 11:08 am to
Make sure your plumbing and electrical are done how you want it.

Once you spray that foam, its a huge pain in the arse to fix or change that stuff.
Posted by whit
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2010
11049 posts
Posted on 11/10/18 at 11:18 am to
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Unbelievable thermal and noise barrier.
Just rock wooled all exterior walls on a spec house that sits next to a highway. Bricked the exterior and added sound dampering windows. It’s pretty amazing. Only time you can hear a vehicle pass is when I’m showing the house and a dump truck decides to jake brake. Every time....
Posted by AUsteriskPride
Albuquerque, NM
Member since Feb 2011
18385 posts
Posted on 11/10/18 at 11:46 am to
I am an estimator at a large insulation company. If you want my opinion on how to go about insulating, post an email address and I'll contact you.

In short, if I'm building in the SE, I would have my attic/crawlspace conditioned - unvented, sealed, and tied to my HVAC. "Venting" in the SE is tricky, as you're bringing in humid air almost always. So I would use a closed cell SPF on the crawlspace up to the decking. An R10 (1.5") is sufficient for stem walls, go R19 (3" at rimjoist). For that attic, spray directly to the roof deck and gable ends. For N. Louisiana, I would go with an R15 (2.5" closed cell to the deck), which is required for air impermeability, then either wire an R19 unfaced batt to the deck, or finish it off with 5" of open cell on top of the closed cell. For your walls, use a 1" flash closed cell in the cavities, and if it's 2x4 framing, an R13 batt on top, if 2x6, an R19.

If you insulate your foundation as previously stated, you do not need insulation under your floor. Just make sure you have a substantial vapor retarder on the ground, rising at least 1' up your stem wall and piers. I definitely recommend spray foam, and going to conditioned attic/crawlspace, but only if you have your HVAC company design your system to remove humidity from said areas.

If you go that route, the air quality and comfort of your home will be phenomenal.

Also, another benefit of insulating on the deck of your roof, you keep the ceiling area clear of insulation.

Also, the closed cell SPF will offer you much better structural integrity, keep pests at bay, and make your house much quieter.

ETA: And if you insulate how I stated, all of your electrical and plumbing is in direct access to you at all times in your crawlspace and attic, and if you need to access in your walls, you only have to pull batt insulation out. The main goal is stopping air infiltration, how I described does just that in the most cost effective manner.
This post was edited on 11/10/18 at 11:52 am
Posted by AUsteriskPride
Albuquerque, NM
Member since Feb 2011
18385 posts
Posted on 11/10/18 at 11:56 am to
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The installer MUST know what they’re doing because too much in an area can give off toxic fumes and become a total nightmare.


After 24-48 hours, off-gassing stops. The main concern is an installer applying too much closed cell at one time, generating too much heat, creating a fire. Other than that, after the 24 hour time period, it is chemically stable.
Posted by AUsteriskPride
Albuquerque, NM
Member since Feb 2011
18385 posts
Posted on 11/10/18 at 12:01 pm to
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Open cell beneath roofed areas allows for leakage sites to be found.


I would rather replace roof decking than the interior of my home. If your underlayment is installed correctly, it's a non-issue, and a leak will be evident at your eaves.
This post was edited on 11/10/18 at 12:03 pm
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