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re: Florida is putting an end to all school vaccine mandates
Posted on 9/3/25 at 11:46 pm to Obtuse1
Posted on 9/3/25 at 11:46 pm to Obtuse1
Fair enough...
1. Which vaccine mandates?
2. How does one determine best interest, society, reasonable, or social contract? These terms, taken alone, together, or in combination will elicit different definitions and set points depending upon who you ask. Who is the arbiter? Why them/it?
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In the end, I think certain vaccine mandates are in the best interest of public health in a way that is reasonable to support the social contract we all have to live in society.
1. Which vaccine mandates?
2. How does one determine best interest, society, reasonable, or social contract? These terms, taken alone, together, or in combination will elicit different definitions and set points depending upon who you ask. Who is the arbiter? Why them/it?
Posted on 9/4/25 at 5:47 am to Vidic
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Still living off that covid vax hysteria. The vax trump pushed. Can’t wait till all those smart Floridians don’t vax their children for anything.
I'd love to hear your thoughts on the US' vaccine schedule compared to the rest of the world.
Not only that, but when was the last time you heard of any ravaging Africa (which has nearly no vaccination participation)?
Posted on 9/4/25 at 6:16 am to Shexter
This is the world they want to go back to...
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In the first decade of reporting (1900s), an average of 6,000 measles-related deaths were reported each year.
The death rate declined and by the time time a vaccine became available in 1963 nearly all children got measles by the time they were 15 years old. It is estimated at that time, 3 to 4 million people in the United States were infected each year. Among reported measles cases each year, an estimated:
400 to 500 people died
48,000 were hospitalized
1,000 suffered encephalitis (swelling of the brain)
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In the first decade of reporting (1900s), an average of 6,000 measles-related deaths were reported each year.
The death rate declined and by the time time a vaccine became available in 1963 nearly all children got measles by the time they were 15 years old. It is estimated at that time, 3 to 4 million people in the United States were infected each year. Among reported measles cases each year, an estimated:
400 to 500 people died
48,000 were hospitalized
1,000 suffered encephalitis (swelling of the brain)
Posted on 9/4/25 at 7:16 am to TaderSalad
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Not only that, but when was the last time you heard of any ravaging Africa (which has nearly no vaccination participation)?
Is this sarcasm? Africa, the continent that is notorious for insane disease outbreaks, is your example?
Posted on 9/4/25 at 7:20 am to Ingeniero
I'm a conservative and Ron fan...this is retarded
Posted on 9/4/25 at 7:29 am to TaderSalad
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I'd love to hear your thoughts on the US' vaccine schedule compared to the rest of the world.
Wanting changes to the child vaccine schedule doesn’t mean you throw the baby out with the bath water and get rid of mandates. You advocate for changes to the schedule.
I’m curious if this will also remove mandates for meningitis vaccines to live in college dorms. That could end up being some nasty business too.
This post was edited on 9/4/25 at 7:30 am
Posted on 9/4/25 at 7:32 am to real turf fan
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Measles was bad for pregnant women because it could really mess up their fetuses.
Measles can lead to sterility and death in rare cases but when you dream of living in a time when a man had a job in the mill and a woman was more less his property and infant and child mortality was so common that almost no family escaped the horrors of it whats a sterile or dead youngun or 3 in the overall scheme of things.
I have a serious proposition for all of you who long for the simpler times, whatever era you think America was last great (can't make something great again if it is currently great). Turn off the air conditioning. Eliminate it from your life. You can't long for a time when kids died of easily preventable communicable diseases, life expectancy was about 20% shorter than it is today and a good many people still had no telephone or indoor plumbing in the much smaller homes while sitting in a climate controlled environment 23 hours a day and communicating to the world through a satellite connection without coming off as insincere. Lead by example. Eliminate AC. You can keep the readily available fresh produce and food that is available today because of technology and the world being a better place than it was 70 years ago. You can keep your microwave and your internet....of course if you are sincere you'd eliminate it all and lead by example but everyone, including yourself, knows you ain't sincere. Just do away with AC. If you truly want a taste of what life was REALLY like in the fantasy world where you think America was once great try living a week in August in the south without AC. No one will do it because we all know what you mean by making America great again...and it has nothing to do with America being great its just those pesky people you don't care for being somewhat equal that is chapping your arse. You can either live with AC and that be the case or you can lead by example and eliminate it...we all know what decision you are going to make....
Posted on 9/4/25 at 7:37 am to Hobie101
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Why does it feel like this country is moving backwards and not forwards.
Because a good many people are convinced that at some mythical point in the past the United States was great but it is no longer great. Some 60 something or more million people have voted in the last 3 presidential elections to turn the clock back to some point in time that they have conjured up in their mind when the US ceased to be great. They are PROUD of this ingnorance....they literally wear it like a badge in the form of hats and bumper stickers. What they will not do is lead by example and eliminate air conditioning from their lives. They will not lead by example and take an easy and simple step back in time to what one would presume is the period they long for...a period which they can't or will not define but insist exists.
Posted on 9/4/25 at 8:13 am to AwgustaDawg
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Measles can lead to sterility
We should adopt the no vaccine policy in Baton Rouge for population control.
Posted on 9/4/25 at 8:15 am to Shexter
Conservative leadership has lost its damn mind. Hilarious that conservatives are as bad now as, if not worse than, the left wing nuts they bitched about.
Both sides suck, but stupidity is shared amongst them.
Both sides suck, but stupidity is shared amongst them.
Posted on 9/4/25 at 8:16 am to notsince98
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Just like all the other groups in the USA that already dont vax, the floridians will be just fine if they so choose. Modern healthcare services are way better now than they were 50 years ago.
You left no doubt with this post of how stupid and illogical a person you are.
Posted on 9/4/25 at 8:23 am to Sweep Da Leg
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Why would you care if your kid is vaccinated??? Don’t they work
The amount of idiots out there that don’t understand how vaccines work and require community immunity to fully function is amazing.
But yes, keep thinking if one person is vaccinated that they have a magic shield that leads to nothing happening to them for sure.
Posted on 9/4/25 at 8:29 am to Shexter
It's remarkable how many people on this board want the government to mandate what they put into their own body. 
Posted on 9/4/25 at 8:34 am to SallysHuman
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And this attitude is why parents don't always trust the doctors and health authorities... when they ask questions, they become public enemy #1, not only for the sake of their own children but because everyone pays the price for free riders.
Asking stupid questions and buying bullshite spread by unqualified people even when a qualified physician gives you facts, is not asking good questions. It’s being a moron that trusts an unqualified moron over a highly trained expert.
No offense, there are still morons out there believing the autism link based on “data” that the actual author of admitted he made up. They are aware of this, yet still believe it because there has to be some nefarious reason for so many kids having autism. They believe the guy except when he admits he made the whole thing up.
And this has nothing to do with Covid vaccines. They just made it worse, but the morons pushing this have no understanding of logic or a brain built to actually understand facts/science.
This post was edited on 9/4/25 at 8:42 am
Posted on 9/4/25 at 8:41 am to Geauxgurt
If anyone can explain to me why a newborn needs hepatitis a vaccine, I'm listening.
Posted on 9/4/25 at 9:36 am to Hobie101
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Why does it feel like this country is moving backwards and not forwards.
Because in many respects it is
Posted on 9/4/25 at 10:33 am to TaderSalad
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Not only that, but when was the last time you heard of any ravaging Africa (which has nearly no vaccination participation)?
- This response was assisted by an AI agent.
Here’s a sampling of some African nations regarding their requirements for childhood vaccinations.
Nigeria has a mandatory vaccination policy for children as part of its national immunization schedule to ensure they receive protection against various diseases, with specific vaccines like BCG, OPV, pentavalent, and measles required at different ages.
South Africa: While there is no overarching law mandating vaccination for the general population, most public and private schools require proof of immunization for enrollment. The state provides certain routine childhood vaccines for free.
Burkina Faso and Congo (DRC): A 2022 survey on compulsory vaccinations in 12 sub-Saharan African countries found that Burkina Faso and Congo had high rates of reported compulsory vaccination coverage (92%), suggesting mandates are enforced.
Kenya has a national immunization policy for its children, which includes vaccines for diseases like polio, measles, and tetanus, and provides these vaccines for free at public health facilities.
Egypt has a compulsory vaccination program for children to prevent diseases like diphtheria, tetanus, polio, and hepatitis B, which is a key part of its primary health care services and integration with basic health services.
Namibia does not explicitly require specific immunizations for school children upon entry, but they do expect children to be up-to-date on their routine childhood vaccines like measles, mumps, rubella (MMR), and polio.
Zambia has a routine childhood immunization schedule including vaccines for BCG, Hepatitis B, Polio, DTP (diphtheria-tetanus-pertussis), Haemophilus influenza type b (Hib), Pneumococcal, Rotavirus, and Measles/Rubella (MMR).
The most common vaccines specified in national immunization schedules are those that prevent common childhood diseases. These often include:
*BCG (for tuberculosis)
*Hepatitis B (HepB)
*Diphtheria, Tetanus, and Pertussis (DTP)
*Polio (Oral Polio Vaccine or Inactivated Polio Vaccine)
*Haemophilus influenzae type b (Hib)
*Measles (Measles-Containing Vaccine or MMR)
*Pneumococcal Conjugate Vaccine (PCV)
*Yellow fever (in at-risk regions)
So your statement is false. Most African nations participate in a WHO-recommended vaccine schedule for children.
This post was edited on 9/4/25 at 11:20 am
Posted on 9/4/25 at 10:45 am to Mingo Was His NameO
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I think you are either tremendously naive
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No one can be as smart as you, and you remind us of that with every post
This is beautiful. Pot, say hello to kettle.
Posted on 9/4/25 at 10:45 am to LemmyLives
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If you want your elementary kid vaccinated against things like meningitis, which is a risk for college students, fine, do it. You can do whatever you want to your kids.
In my 75 years of life, I know of only 1 person who had meningitis. Now all of a sudden people “NEED” meningitis vaccinations? There has been NO meningitis vaccine for 95% of my lifetime. Where are all of these cases of meningitis that now cause the requirement for such a vaccine? Big pharma gonna big pharma.
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