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re: Florida ends "Alimony for life". Divorced broads are freaking out. This is hilarious.

Posted on 7/31/23 at 11:39 am to
Posted by 777Tiger
Member since Mar 2011
88427 posts
Posted on 7/31/23 at 11:39 am to
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A woman filing for divorce and expecting alimony for life is akin to quitting your job and expecting the employer to pay you for life.



there is no logic or reasonableness in family court, especially in FL, biased in favor of the party in possession of the vagene
Posted by cyarrr
Prairieville
Member since Jun 2017
3999 posts
Posted on 7/31/23 at 11:46 am to
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Alimony if given, should be maxed out at 2-3 years.

No justification otherwise to keep the gravy train rolling.


Playing devils' advocate here-

Say wife puts husband through medical school, sacrificing her own career goals and education when doing so. Wife works multiple jobs with long hours while husband devotes his time to his studies, both focused on the betterment of their future together.

Upon becoming a medical doctor, husband encourages wife to be a stay at home wife/mother. Wife reluctantly agrees, again sacrificing any career goals she may have had.

After many years of marriage when wife is in her golden years and past her prime (beauty/earning potential) husband leaves her for a younger woman.


Serious question, do you think alimony should be limited to just a couple of years in this scenario?

This post was edited on 7/31/23 at 9:10 pm
Posted by 777Tiger
Member since Mar 2011
88427 posts
Posted on 7/31/23 at 11:48 am to
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Say wife puts husband through medical school, sacrificing her own career goals and education when doing so. Wife works multiple jobs with long hours while husband devotes his time to his studies, both focused on the betterment of their future together.

Upon becoming a medial doctor, husband encourages wife to be a stay at home wife/mother. Wife reluctantly agrees, again sacrificing any career goals she may have had.

After many years of marriage when wife is in her golden years and past her prime (beauty/earning potential) husband leaves her for a younger woman.


Serious question, do you think alimony should be limited to just a couple of years in this scenario?





that fiction is well played out in divorce courts, shouldn't be like winning the lottery for the ex
Posted by FLObserver
Jacksonville
Member since Nov 2005
15789 posts
Posted on 7/31/23 at 11:49 am to
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Wondering how the state will determine that they are living with someone new? What criteria are they using? People will always find a way to game the system.


I'm sure the ex husband would have no problem doing a little recon and submitting documents and evidence to the state.
This post was edited on 7/31/23 at 11:54 am
Posted by Fishwater
Carcosa
Member since Aug 2010
6026 posts
Posted on 7/31/23 at 11:51 am to
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Playing devils' advocate here-

Say wife puts husband through medical school, sacrificing her own career goals and education when doing so. Wife works multiple jobs with long hours while husband devotes his time to his studies, both focused on the betterment of their future together.

Upon becoming a medial doctor, husband encourages wife to be a stay at home wife/mother. Wife reluctantly agrees, again sacrificing any career goals she may have had.

After many years of marriage when wife is in her golden years and past her prime (beauty/earning potential) husband leaves her for a younger woman.


Serious question, do you think alimony should be limited to just a couple of years in this scenario?


Issues:
Does the wife have a right to income from Husband's medical license?

Does Husband owe alimony / support to wife after years of her being a stay at home mom?

States usually have a time frame of where alimony should begin but also some states have income potential for the parties. Lets say the stay at home mom holds a nursing degree, she can get activate her license, get her CE's up to date and go get a good job...


Netflix has a good series about this scenario, Dirty John - Betty season 2. About a wife who puts her husband through medical then law school, does the stay at home mom thing, then he divorces and leaves her with nothing.... Then she kills him...
Posted by LSU fan 246
Member since Oct 2005
90567 posts
Posted on 7/31/23 at 11:51 am to
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Say wife puts husband through medical school, sacrificing her own career goals and education when doing so. Wife works multiple jobs with long hours while husband devotes his time to his studies, both focused on the betterment of their future together.


So she is waiting tables or something?

If she is paying for his medical school, she has a career.

I know you're playing devils advocate
Posted by el Gaucho
He/They
Member since Dec 2010
58468 posts
Posted on 7/31/23 at 11:52 am to
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Gotta disagree on the “no matter the reason” caveat. For instance, a woman leaving a marriage in a well-documented domestic violence situation who was forced to remain unemployed (a control tactic in DV situations) should get some support until she’s able to get back on her feet.

Or you could not marry some guy that beats you lol
Posted by 777Tiger
Member since Mar 2011
88427 posts
Posted on 7/31/23 at 11:54 am to
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why is the man on the hook to support someone who doesnt want to work after they have been divorced 10 years or more? especially if she is the one who wanted the divorce.


yep, I got divorced in FL, the ex presents a request for alimony to the judge maintaining that she might be able to get by on $13.5k/mo., no plan for learning a skill/vocation, he told her to get real and come up with some new figures, she was able to pare it down to a paltry $10.5k/mo.
Posted by RedPop4
Santiago de Compostela
Member since Jan 2005
15105 posts
Posted on 7/31/23 at 11:54 am to
It's a typical, female "but what about...." statistical anomaly used to justify overall policy/precedent in socio-political discussion. We see it every day.
Posted by Epic Cajun
Lafayette, LA
Member since Feb 2013
36339 posts
Posted on 7/31/23 at 11:55 am to
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Playing devils' advocate here-

Say wife puts husband through medical school, sacrificing her own career goals and education when doing so. Wife works multiple jobs with long hours while husband devotes his time to his studies, both focused on the betterment of their future together.

Upon becoming a medial doctor, husband encourages wife to be a stay at home wife/mother. Wife reluctantly agrees, again sacrificing any career goals she may have had.

After many years of marriage when wife is in her golden years and past her prime (beauty/earning potential) husband leaves her for a younger woman.


Serious question, do you think alimony should be limited to just a couple of years in this scenario?

They are still splitting assets, I assume that they'd have a considerable amount of assets if they were married for many years. So yes, she should still probably only get a few years of alimony.
Posted by teke184
Zachary, LA
Member since Jan 2007
103114 posts
Posted on 7/31/23 at 11:55 am to
Which works if you have proof of major wrongdoing in each case
Posted by cyarrr
Prairieville
Member since Jun 2017
3999 posts
Posted on 7/31/23 at 11:55 am to
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that fiction is well played out in divorce courts, shouldn't be like winning the lottery for the ex


Agreed, just pointing out that there are circumstances that warrant longer alimony terms.
This post was edited on 7/31/23 at 12:03 pm
Posted by LouisianaLady
Member since Mar 2009
82702 posts
Posted on 7/31/23 at 11:56 am to
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I didn't think Louisiana had alimony at all.



We have it. Interim alimony is not allowed to be waived via prenup. It is 6 months, but almost always gets approved for an additional 6 months. So 1 year total.

According to my attorney (recently went through prenup stuff, and I used a BR divorce attorney for it), permanent alimony is pretty rare and mostly only used for old couples and/or disabled people. An able bodied 35 year old ain't getting permanent alimony.

Either way, alimony is calculated by filling out a massive Excel sheet that lists all of your expenses. They take your total expenses, less your income, and then the other spouse would pay the difference if there is one. It's not like the child support racket where the higher earning spouse is paying some absurd amount based on their income.
This post was edited on 7/31/23 at 12:00 pm
Posted by 777Tiger
Member since Mar 2011
88427 posts
Posted on 7/31/23 at 11:57 am to
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An able bodied 35 year old ain't getting permanent alimony.



oh yes they are
Posted by LouisianaLady
Member since Mar 2009
82702 posts
Posted on 7/31/23 at 11:59 am to
In Louisiana, it appears to be pretty rare. Doubt this lady who is one of the constantly recommended divorce attorneys in BR recommended here lied to me.

Like I said, vast majority of people conflate child support with alimony. Child support 100% fricks men all the time. But child support is not alimony. Divorce without kids is a completely different situation and only in certain situations is someone fricked by specifically alimony.

I urge anyone going get a prenup to focus a hell of a lot less on alimony and a hell of a lot more on community property. Half your home, half your property, half your investments.. that's all up for grabs without a prenup. You'll be wishing it was just alimony.
Posted by 777Tiger
Member since Mar 2011
88427 posts
Posted on 7/31/23 at 12:01 pm to
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vast majority of people conflate child support with alimony.


I am not one, I am intimately familiar with the workings of the Fl family court system
Posted by LongueCarabine
Pointe Aux Pins, LA
Member since Jan 2011
8205 posts
Posted on 7/31/23 at 12:29 pm to
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We have it. Interim alimony is not allowed to be waived via prenup. It is 6 months, but almost always gets approved for an additional 6 months. So 1 year total.


Ex wife tried to stick me with permanent alimony although she wanted to stay home with the kids. She had a college degree with as much or more earnings potential than mine. Her father set her up in the family business and made sure most of what she was paid was off the books.

And this mooch is still mad at me!!!
Posted by Jcorye1
Tom Brady = GoAT
Member since Dec 2007
76373 posts
Posted on 7/31/23 at 12:34 pm to
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What is the purpose of alimony?


Women want to be on the pedestal while also getting the good parts of equality.
Posted by Proximo
Member since Aug 2011
21994 posts
Posted on 7/31/23 at 12:35 pm to
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No. Protecting your own investments that took place during the marriage (i.e. waiving community property) is one of the top reasons to require a prenup. Alimony is but a blip on the radar. It's nothing. Very few people here pay permanent alimony and it is calculated based on proven expenses; not income. If alimony was all you'd be on the hook for, many men would be very happy. It's having to give away half of all your assets that fricks people without prenups. Half the home, half other property you own, half your investments, etc.

I said one of, meaning there are multiple reasons—I’m sure you recall the intricacies from law school
Posted by 777Tiger
Member since Mar 2011
88427 posts
Posted on 7/31/23 at 12:36 pm to
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And this mooch is still mad at me!!!



my ex should have worshipped the ground I walked on but she was always trying to sabotage my employment, demanding more $ on one hand while trying to kill the golden goose with the other
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