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re: Florida deputy fatally shot US airman that answered the door with a gun
Posted on 5/10/24 at 12:08 pm to Dawgfanman
Posted on 5/10/24 at 12:08 pm to Dawgfanman
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But you wouldn’t be justified in shooting your neighbor. Neither is the cop. You should both face the same charges.
Except I wouldn't have a body cam.
I'd have dropped my gun, called 911, tried to resuscitate the guy, and not said a damn word. Called my lawyer.
I bring a package to my neighbor and he answers the door with a gun and I shoot him with my CC, good luck proving I did anything wrong.
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Posted on 5/10/24 at 12:10 pm to baldona
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I also don't think the cop is a total bloodthirsty a-hole. I think the victim was an idiot. The cop had a quick trigger.
I don’t either. But he is negligent and committed homicide.
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Its an unfortunate series of events preventable (like many of these) by both sides. But one guys alive, the other is not.
One guy failed to do what it takes to protect his own life in the situation (the airman) and paid a price. The other took a man’s life wrongly and should now pay the price. That price shouldn’t be some ridiculously low one. What he did can’t be acceptable in our society, even if it can be anticipated.
It’s stupid to ride through a bad neighborhood at night waving money around, but we can’t let people who kill someone doing it get away with murder. Even if it’s unfortunate, stupid, and the outcome predictable.
Posted on 5/10/24 at 12:10 pm to Obtuse1
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That banging knock with a lack of announcement is clearly done by someone with serious intentions. That
I agree the cops knocks were obnoxious, but that's also engrained by their job. They are used to having to knock loud.
But in that situation, I can't see, I'm not opening the door. I'm yelling out to have them announce themselves. I'm calling the police before I answer the door if I can't see anyone.
Why would you answer the door with a gun not drawn? Let's say it is a perp. Boom you are dead.
Posted on 5/10/24 at 12:11 pm to TeddyPadillac
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Your point isn't realistic in any world.
Sure it is.
It's realistic in a world where we actually have rights, and we place value on those rights.
If there's any blame at all assigned to this guy, we don't really have rights. You may be OK with that to win some point on the internet. I am not.
Posted on 5/10/24 at 12:12 pm to TeddyPadillac
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Let's all answer our door from now on with a gun in hand.
If I show up unannounced/uninvited, I expect this everywhere I go
especially if I were intentionally hiding from the only way they could visually confirm my identity. Not sure why this is even remotely controversial. This post was edited on 5/10/24 at 12:13 pm
Posted on 5/10/24 at 12:12 pm to baldona
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I bring a package to my neighbor and he answers the door with a gun and I shoot him with my CC, good luck proving I did anything wrong.
frick, I'd wish it was that easy, and I'd laugh your arse off to prison.
Posted on 5/10/24 at 12:12 pm to baldona
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Except I wouldn't have a body cam.
The body cam shows that the officer was never threatened.
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I bring a package to my neighbor and he answers the door with a gun and I shoot him with my CC, good luck proving I did anything wrong.
You’d go to jail and be convicted. You can’t shoot people in their home just because they have a gun in their hand.
Posted on 5/10/24 at 12:14 pm to DavidTheGnome
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When a cop announces himself no it's not wise to open the door with a gun in your hand even if it is your right.
I don't give a frick if the cop announced himself as Jesus Christ...the dude should be able to answer his own door with a firearm without worrying about being killed.
Posted on 5/10/24 at 12:15 pm to Dawgfanman
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You’d go to jail and be convicted. You can’t shoot people in their home just because they have a gun in their hand.
If there's no video? Lol, I felt my life was threatened. I delivered his package.
I'd still be alive. He'd be dead.
Hard to have rights when you are dead.
Posted on 5/10/24 at 12:16 pm to baldona
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Hard to have rights when you are dead.
You're so close to getting it...
Posted on 5/10/24 at 12:16 pm to baldona
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If there's no video? Lol, I felt my life was threatened. I delivered his package. I'd still be alive. He'd be dead. Hard to have rights when you are dead.
Oh yeah. I get you. Video doesn’t help cop here.
Posted on 5/10/24 at 12:17 pm to MoarKilometers
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If I show up unannounced/uninvited, I expect this everywhere I go especially if I were intentionally hiding from the only way they could visually confirm my identity. Not sure why this is even remotely controversial.
Its not like he answered the door right away? You've never knocked twice, walked away, and then someone answers when you are around the corner?
Happens quite frequently to me.
Why am I knocking on people's doors these days? I have kids, this or that. They want to play, they have candy, threw a ball over the fence, who knows.
Posted on 5/10/24 at 12:19 pm to baldona
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I bring a package to my neighbor and he answers the door with a gun and I shoot him with my CC, good luck proving I did anything wrong.
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Location: Florida
Hey matlock, you may want to peruse the syg law in your state. Sentence 1 is a real bitch.
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776.013 Home protection; use or threatened use of deadly force; presumption of fear of death or great bodily harm.—
(1) A person who is in a dwelling or residence in which the person has a right to be has no duty to retreat and has the right to stand his or her ground and use or threaten to use:
Posted on 5/10/24 at 12:21 pm to LSUDVM1999
Insufficient information to "internet convict" the officer in this scenario. The department might be liable...
Without specific details, we can suggest the officer was part of the team, acting on a legitimate operations plan, with full confidence all locations/suspects were identified and confirmed. No one can expect every officer arriving to a scene to independently verify every aspect. There are mechanisms in place to confirm details with sufficient accuracy. These mechanisms are effective if followed and verified. These types of scenarios occur probably hundreds of times daily, with a rare occurrence like this.
Also, we don't know if the article has any accuracy. Was it truly the "wrong unit" the officers entered? Was this one of those "swatting" scenarios?
Now that this has devolved into a race issue in the media, everything the media reports is suspect, to the point of likely being downright false information and intentionally withheld exculpatory facts.
Without specific details, we can suggest the officer was part of the team, acting on a legitimate operations plan, with full confidence all locations/suspects were identified and confirmed. No one can expect every officer arriving to a scene to independently verify every aspect. There are mechanisms in place to confirm details with sufficient accuracy. These mechanisms are effective if followed and verified. These types of scenarios occur probably hundreds of times daily, with a rare occurrence like this.
Also, we don't know if the article has any accuracy. Was it truly the "wrong unit" the officers entered? Was this one of those "swatting" scenarios?
Now that this has devolved into a race issue in the media, everything the media reports is suspect, to the point of likely being downright false information and intentionally withheld exculpatory facts.
Posted on 5/10/24 at 12:22 pm to MoarKilometers
The dude's talking about shooting his neighbor in his own doorway for answering the door with a firearm. Then, he takes it further with "there's no video, so I could just lie about what happened and get away with it."
That's murder, son, and sounds like a pretty fricking good reason for your neighbor to answer the door with a firearm, living next to some psycho "gun owner."
That's murder, son, and sounds like a pretty fricking good reason for your neighbor to answer the door with a firearm, living next to some psycho "gun owner."
This post was edited on 5/10/24 at 12:23 pm
Posted on 5/10/24 at 12:22 pm to baldona
quote:What?
I bring a package to my neighbor and he answers the door with a gun and I shoot him with my CC, good luck proving I did anything wrong.
The cop needs to go to the penitentiary for the rest of his life. That was state sanctioned murder, plain and simple.
Did the victim mess up opening that door? Damn right he did. And if he knew it was the cops, he still shouldn't of answered it. Get a warrant.
The person who called it in even told the police they weren't sure which apartment number it was and finally guessed and gave them his apartment number. The cops did everything wrong from the dispatch to the mag dump.
And to answer the quote above: You go to a person's house with a package and they answer the door with a gun and you shoot and kill them, your arse is going to jail for murder, and rightfully so. You might want to brush up on the laws if you think you're getting out of that, Mr. CCW.
Posted on 5/10/24 at 12:24 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
Answer this for me then displaced.
Who is considered to be a bigger idiot:
1.) Guy who answers the door with a gun for any random person
2.) Guy who shoots the guy answering the door with a gun that felt his life was threatened for having a gun "pointed at him"
Who is considered to be a bigger idiot:
1.) Guy who answers the door with a gun for any random person
2.) Guy who shoots the guy answering the door with a gun that felt his life was threatened for having a gun "pointed at him"
Posted on 5/10/24 at 12:27 pm to baldona
quote:Good lord you're a walking around retard.
If there's no video? Lol, I felt my life was threatened. I delivered his package.
I'd still be alive. He'd be dead.
Hard to have rights when you are dead.
quote:And guess who else won't have rights? Your dumbass.
Hard to have rights when you are dead.
Because you'll be convicted of murder.
Go on and keep doubling down. Dig that hole even deeper. Baldona thinks he can walk up onto private property and shoot a man standing his own doorway because he had a gun and get away with it.
I'm appalled your vote counts the same as mine.
Posted on 5/10/24 at 12:29 pm to baldona
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Posted on 5/10/24 at 12:30 pm to mudshuvl05
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Go on and keep doubling down. Dig that hole even deeper. Baldona thinks he can walk up onto private property and shoot a man standing his own doorway because he had a gun and get away with it.
I'm appalled your vote counts the same as mine.
The original question was try that with anyone else other than police.
The victim is still dead. Someone is alive.
I agree, the cop is in the wrong and deserves a criminal punishment.
Murder? Lets see how it plays out.
Cop screwed up. But don't answer the door with a gun and expect not to get shot. I'm sorry. This is proof 101. I'm not sure how anyone can argue otherwise. It literally happened here.
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