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re: Flashback from 12 months ago: LADOTD narrowed down the new MRB routes to 3

Posted on 5/8/23 at 11:51 am to
Posted by Geaux002
Member since Jan 2021
1282 posts
Posted on 5/8/23 at 11:51 am to
Think there was a slow down because the head of the DOTD decided he was fit to run for governor. Several big projects are delayed
Posted by Basura Blanco
Member since Dec 2011
10579 posts
Posted on 5/8/23 at 11:51 am to
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Yeah, unless they somehow find a way to bypass the heart of Plaquemine, it makes zero sense.


Yep. And its almost impossible to build a Plaquemine Loop (I cant believe I just typed Plaquemine Loop) without displacing large areas of existing housing and adding 15 miles of virgin road.

Or, you continue the west side of the bridge highway/interstate thru 25 miles of cane field and swamp to tie in with I-10 in Grosse Tete, bypassing Brusly/Addis. And would have to cross both Bayou Plaquemine and the Intracoastal (with a major bridge). And all of this is before you even begin to tackle the major headache, which is the east side of the river.

It might be the single dumbest idea in Louisiana road building history. It will easily be the most costly when/if completed.
This post was edited on 5/8/23 at 11:53 am
Posted by keakar
Member since Jan 2017
30152 posts
Posted on 5/8/23 at 11:55 am to
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The proposed locations of the Mississippi River crossings are mind-blowingly dumb. The amount of work that will have to be done to Hwy 1 and Hwy30 to encourage any traffic to take that route is probably as complicated, expensive, and as time consuming as building the bridge itself.


yes, but those people who own the property, are well connected to the right people, so even if it costs an extra billion to make them richer, that is where it will be built. its not about the most practical or the most efficient way to do it.
Posted by The Boat
Member since Oct 2008
171595 posts
Posted on 5/8/23 at 11:55 am to
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As someone moving to St. Gabriel and has family in White Castle I selfishly really want this bridge location


The bridge location works if Louisiana connects it to I-10 on both ends with controlled access freeway but it would take Louisiana 50 years to do that.

Need to make LA30 controlled access freeway from south of LSU's campus to I-10 in Gonzales. Then make LA1 controlled access from the new controlled access 415 connector to the new Mississippi River bridge in Plaquemine and you have your southern loop of Baton Rouge from I-10/415-Lobdell to I-10/LA30-Gonzales and a spur into Baton Rouge.

Posted by whoa
New Orleans
Member since Sep 2017
5340 posts
Posted on 5/8/23 at 12:05 pm to
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there isnt enough money to go around right now

The frick there is.

HB 560
This is the supplemental appropriations bills I.E. all the legislators pet projects and money funneling.

Just some highlights (would love to track this money)

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Payable out of the State General Fund (Direct)
20 to the State Fair of Louisiana $ 600,000

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Payable out of the State General Fund (Direct)
35 to the Covington Youth Soccer Association for
36 capital improvements $ 650,000

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Payable out of the State General Fund (Direct)
14 to the town of Delhi for high speed passenger rail
15 program $ 25,000

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Payable out of the State General Fund (Direct)
5 to the town of Logansport for the Logansport
6 Christmas Festival $ 50,000

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Payable out of the State General Fund (Direct)
38 to Freedom Ministries of Christ Church for
39 building renovations $ 100,000

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Payable out of the State General Fund (Direct)
20 to Tea Time Etiquette, LLC, for youth initiatives $ 25,000

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Payable out of the State General Fund (Direct)
13 to the Friends All United For Natchitoches Animals $ 1,000,000

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Payable out of the State General Fund (Direct)
21 to Black Data Processing Associates Monroe
22 Chapter $ 100,000
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Payable out of the State General Fund (Direct)
18 to St. Anthony Church in the town of Lafitte
19 for the church fair $ 10,000

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Payable out of the State General Fund (Direct)
22 to Math Nation $ 1,000,000

Posted by Bard
Definitely NOT an admin
Member since Oct 2008
55417 posts
Posted on 5/8/23 at 12:08 pm to
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Is this a culture problem? Why does Louisiana put up with this? How can those of us that care actually push for progress here?



Those will each require a separate study. Estimated time for an answer: 27 years.
Posted by Basura Blanco
Member since Dec 2011
10579 posts
Posted on 5/8/23 at 12:11 pm to
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The bridge location works if Louisiana connects it to I-10 on both ends with controlled access freeway but it would take Louisiana 50 years to do that.



That red loop you drew around Plaquemine will have to have a larger apex and take 20 years in itself. Hell just the distance from the river to that point where it starts at Hwy 1 is over 8 miles. Putting it south of Plaquemine kills the entire project. At 55 years old, I am 100% assured of being right or will be long dead before proven wrong.
Posted by Bard
Definitely NOT an admin
Member since Oct 2008
55417 posts
Posted on 5/8/23 at 12:19 pm to
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has family in White Castle


Prayers sent. I think every one of my family that was from there has either died off or moved away (or both).

While I hate the potential location of the bridge (when looking at it as part of a loop), I hope that if the bridge goes down there it can help revitalize some of those areas.
Posted by udtiger
Over your left shoulder
Member since Nov 2006
107673 posts
Posted on 5/8/23 at 12:33 pm to
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Why is everything involving LADOTD such a massive disappointment? Anything the state needs takes so much longer than it has to.



ringing endorsement for Wilson for Governor
Posted by Bard
Definitely NOT an admin
Member since Oct 2008
55417 posts
Posted on 5/8/23 at 12:34 pm to
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Not bad, but the diversion from LA 1 would need to start a little farther north to keep the traffic from having to deal with where the train tracks cross LA 1 at Dow (and go west of Shintech).

It would do some good, but mainly for the I-10 traffic. 12 would still be a shitshow (at least until a lot of baws moved from Livingston parish to WBR/Iberville).
Posted by LSUBoo
Knoxville, TN
Member since Mar 2006
102492 posts
Posted on 5/8/23 at 12:34 pm to
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Why is everything involving LADOTD such a massive disappointment?


This is a rhetorical question, right?


Right?
Posted by dewster
Chicago
Member since Aug 2006
25947 posts
Posted on 5/8/23 at 1:08 pm to
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LMAO. Practically in White Castle. Literally closer to the Sunshine Bridge than the BR bridge. Not only does Highway 1 split going thru Plaquemine, it is 25 MPH in one stretch and already a complete clusterfrick on weekdays.


They absolutely will have to build a route around Plaquemine and link up to I-10 somewhere west of LA415.
Posted by dewster
Chicago
Member since Aug 2006
25947 posts
Posted on 5/8/23 at 1:11 pm to
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Payable out of the State General Fund (Direct)
14 to the town of Delhi for high speed passenger rail
15 program $ 25,000


Is this for a train station or something?

That's a tiny tow that has no train service currently. Why on earth do they need $25,000 for high speed rail?

Amtrak Map - nothing even going through that part of the state.


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Payable out of the State General Fund (Direct)
38 to Freedom Ministries of Christ Church for
39 building renovations $ 100,000


WTF are we paying for a church renovation for?


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Payable out of the State General Fund (Direct)
35 to the Covington Youth Soccer Association for
36 capital improvements $ 650,000


Why can't Covington pay for their own youth soccer association via local taxes like every other parish does?

Dammit there's millions of dollars in that bill that should be going to infrastructure maintenance and upkeep but instead are being spent on churches, private organizations, and weird projects that make no sense (like high speed rail in a tiny town with no passenger rail service). Why does our local media not put this out there? WTF??
This post was edited on 5/8/23 at 1:17 pm
Posted by member12
Bob's Country Bunker
Member since May 2008
32593 posts
Posted on 5/8/23 at 1:29 pm to
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Why is everything involving LADOTD such a massive disappointment? Anything the state needs takes so much longer than it has to.



Fun fact. You can get rid of the LADOTD lead very easily....but you'll have to elect him to governor to do it.

Posted by whoa
New Orleans
Member since Sep 2017
5340 posts
Posted on 5/8/23 at 1:30 pm to
I'm strongly considering starting some kind of social media page just to track & highlight these kinds of things. I mean $1 million to something called Math Nation? WTF is that? Tea Time, LLC gets $25,000? All the money going to churches & fairs, tf?

This is all very clearly kickbacks and money funneling. Our elected officials know they've made it once they get elected because no one holds them accountable after that.
Posted by Basura Blanco
Member since Dec 2011
10579 posts
Posted on 5/8/23 at 1:31 pm to
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They absolutely will have to build a route around Plaquemine and link up to I-10 somewhere west of LA415.


If they utilize none of LA 1, it will be 30 miles of open road thru cane fields and swamp. No one will use it get thru BR as it doesn't connect to I-12. By doing this, even less people will use it as it doesn't even get you to the populated areas along the west side of the river.

I would say it would be a money pit clusterfrick with no redeeming value, but moving the bridge south of Plaquemine already secured that designation.
Posted by RaginRampage
Detroit Lions Fan
Member since Feb 2018
219 posts
Posted on 5/8/23 at 1:49 pm to
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well connected to the right people, so even if it costs an extra billion to make them richer


I see someone else knows about the Billy Nungesser get rich quick tactic.
Posted by CarRamrod
Spurbury, VT
Member since Dec 2006
57944 posts
Posted on 5/8/23 at 1:57 pm to
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The frick there is.
ok go talk to all of them and tell then your stuff is more important.... I hate it as much as you but the money is spread out by politicians.

The Gas Tax bill was the best tax bill to come to vote in a long long time....But ill even admit i didnt vote for it because of the things you listed....

But my statement still stands..
Posted by CarRamrod
Spurbury, VT
Member since Dec 2006
57944 posts
Posted on 5/8/23 at 1:59 pm to
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ringing endorsement for Wilson for Governor
Wilson did the least amount to get by and not screw up.
Posted by MintBerry Crunch
Member since Nov 2010
5468 posts
Posted on 5/8/23 at 2:18 pm to
A northern loop would make so much more sense. About 80% of truck traffic uses I-12 to bypass New Orleans.
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