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Fermi paradox

Posted on 6/22/18 at 8:21 am
Posted by holdem Tiger
Member since Oct 2007
1052 posts
Posted on 6/22/18 at 8:21 am
Had An interesting thread the other day here about the odds of intelligent aliens. A new study suggests it may be unlikely.

Of course, we already knew that. It "may" be any probability. We just don't know. Good discussoon though.

https://www.universetoday.com/category/fermi-paradox/
Posted by Pectus
Internet
Member since Apr 2010
67302 posts
Posted on 6/22/18 at 8:24 am to
A while ago I realized all the mathematical formulae for determining how many intelligent civilizations could be out there do not take into account the range of species duration and the span of time since the universe and Earth formed.
Posted by Upperdecker
St. George, LA
Member since Nov 2014
30578 posts
Posted on 6/22/18 at 8:25 am to
Intelligent aliens are almost a certainty. And there are probably many species far more intelligent than us. The issue is that we are a grain of sand compared to the rest of existence. There are so many planets, even highly intelligent aliens that travel to other galaxies might never find us
Posted by weagle99
Member since Nov 2011
35893 posts
Posted on 6/22/18 at 8:26 am to
quote:

Intelligent aliens are almost a certainty.


Based on what?
Posted by udtiger
Over your left shoulder
Member since Nov 2006
98826 posts
Posted on 6/22/18 at 8:26 am to
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even highly intelligent aliens that travel to other galaxies might never find us


We better hope they don't.
Posted by LSU-MNCBABY
Knightsgate
Member since Jan 2004
24356 posts
Posted on 6/22/18 at 8:28 am to
Kind of like the theory that when we walk by living creatures in the grass we pay them no attention. Other life could be so far advanced from us that they don’t even notice us
Posted by Upperdecker
St. George, LA
Member since Nov 2014
30578 posts
Posted on 6/22/18 at 8:29 am to
quote:

A while ago I realized all the mathematical formulae for determining how many intelligent civilizations could be out there do not take into account the range of species duration and the span of time since the universe and Earth formed.

Yea those formulas are equivalent to flipping a coin or guessing a number. We have so little understanding of even the planets in our own solar system, much less the endless amount of other planets out there that are farther. You can’t make an estimate on how much life there is in the universe if you only have one example, and you have a sample size as small as we do
Posted by LSU Coyote
Member since Sep 2007
53390 posts
Posted on 6/22/18 at 8:32 am to
We don't even know what is beyond the obserable universe.

Fermi's ran hot anyway.
Posted by LSU Coyote
Member since Sep 2007
53390 posts
Posted on 6/22/18 at 8:34 am to
quote:

Kind of like the theory that when we walk by living creatures in the grass we pay them no attention. Other life could be so far advanced from us that they don’t even notice us

Terrance McKenna
Posted by sweetwaterbilly
Member since Mar 2017
19351 posts
Posted on 6/22/18 at 8:35 am to
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Based on what?


Do you even Ancient Aliens bro? Everything on that show is 100% true. No doubt.
Posted by puse01
Member since Sep 2011
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Posted on 6/22/18 at 8:39 am to
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Posted by Purple Spoon
Hoth
Member since Feb 2005
17830 posts
Posted on 6/22/18 at 8:39 am to
Watched a few videos on this and confirmed my suspicion that we know exactly jack shite about the universe.
Posted by Sneaky__Sally
Member since Jul 2015
12364 posts
Posted on 6/22/18 at 8:41 am to
What he know about the universe is actually quite impressive given our limited time within it and the barriers presented by distance and time.
Posted by buffbraz
Member since Nov 2005
5675 posts
Posted on 6/22/18 at 8:58 am to
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This leads to an even stronger uncertainty about the number of civilizations, drawing us to conclude that there is a fairly high likelihood that we are alone. However, we *also* conclude that we shouldn’t be too surprised if we find intelligence!”


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In the end, the team’s conclusions do not mean that humanity is alone in the Universe, or that the odds of finding evidence of extra-terrestrial civilizations (both past and present) is unlikely. Instead, it simply means that we can say with greater confidence – based on what we know – that humanity is most likely the only intelligent species in the Milky Way Galaxy at present.


Basically we know ALOT more than we used to, but it's not enough to know whether we are alone or not.
Posted by Yung_Humma
Member since Oct 2013
834 posts
Posted on 6/22/18 at 9:13 am to
Or it could be like when you step on a bug and don’t care
Posted by Jake88
Member since Apr 2005
68266 posts
Posted on 6/22/18 at 9:19 am to
I can't access the link in the op, but it has been suggested that despite us being a grain of sand, organisms with a couple billion years head start on us should have reached us or become obvious to us by now.
Posted by PCRammer
1725 Slough Avenue in Scranton, PA
Member since Jan 2014
1452 posts
Posted on 6/22/18 at 9:21 am to
Weird. I have never heard of this until earlier this week I was listening to Joe Rogan and his guest was a physicist named Adam Frank. They went pretty deep on the Fermi paradox.

It was a good listen. I learndted.
Posted by Hammertime
Will trade dowsing rod for titties
Member since Jan 2012
43030 posts
Posted on 6/22/18 at 9:58 am to
quote:

A while ago I realized all the mathematical formulae for determining how many intelligent civilizations could be out there
1+infinity?

There are way too many factors to even consider guessing that, unless you guess "unlimited"
Posted by EyeTwentyNole
Member since Mar 2015
4199 posts
Posted on 6/22/18 at 10:17 am to
We don't even know if there's a 9th planet at the edge of our own solar system, but these physicists will have you believe they know what's going on a billion light years away...
Posted by tigerdude3232
Member since Nov 2009
730 posts
Posted on 6/22/18 at 10:20 am to
Love when scientist try to make humans feel super special
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