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re: Female physicians are paid less because they don’t work as hard as their male counterparts

Posted on 9/3/18 at 12:25 am to
Posted by Blob Fish
Member since Mar 2016
3091 posts
Posted on 9/3/18 at 12:25 am to
Anyone who thinks that the wage gap exists because women get paid less money per hour worked in 2018 is a fricking moron.

Now, people can argue about barriers to female advancement and such things, but even that is weak sauce.

The vast majority of the wage gap could be accurately and easily explained by pointing out simple differences in decision making and personality that tend to exist between men and women, if 2018 America wasn’t so busy trying to ignore that there are biological differences between men and women.
This post was edited on 9/3/18 at 12:29 am
Posted by SECdragonmaster
Order of the Dragons
Member since Dec 2013
17460 posts
Posted on 9/3/18 at 6:21 am to
I can’t keep up.

Are men and women different or are men and women the same?

How’s can you do a study on behavior when you don’t even ask EACH individual physician you are studying what gender pronoun they identify with?

And what about he patients? What gender pronoun do they identify with?

I thought sex and gender were just in our minds?
Posted by BurningHeart
Member since Jan 2017
10131 posts
Posted on 9/3/18 at 6:46 am to
I'd like the government to stay out of wage gaps.

If a business decides to pay someone less, for whatever reason, that person can easily go find a job elsewhere that pays higher.

If the former company was in the wrong then their performance will be hurt.

The free market works this out by itself.
Posted by StringedInstruments
Member since Oct 2013
21072 posts
Posted on 9/3/18 at 6:54 am to
Posted by sostan
Louisiana
Member since Jul 2010
1154 posts
Posted on 9/3/18 at 8:15 am to
It's very simple. You are paid what you are worth. There are exceptions to this rule, but if you are truly worth more, you can find more pay elsewhere.
Posted by LongueCarabine
Pointe Aux Pins, LA
Member since Jan 2011
8205 posts
Posted on 9/3/18 at 8:37 am to
quote:

Physicians in private practice make what they earn, so if they make less then it’s because they aren’t producing as much revenue - which is usually because they have less volume. Even employed physicians usually have their pay tied to productivity, so again if they make less it’s because they are doing less work.


This is exactly it.

It doesn't matter whether you are in private practice or employed. Your pay is directly related to productivity. The more hours you put in and the more patients you see, the more you will make.

Having children requires more time off for females, it is just that simple. The less time spent working, the less you make. Put the time in and you make more.

This is not rocket science and it isn't some grand conspiracy against female physicians.

It also works that way in other professions, such as engineering, accounting, etc.
Posted by Restomod
Member since Mar 2012
13493 posts
Posted on 9/3/18 at 8:59 am to
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A male doctor from Texas


I've seen this physician in passing , not the first time he has been outspoken. He DGAF.
Posted by Puffoluffagus
Savannah, GA
Member since Feb 2009
6504 posts
Posted on 9/3/18 at 9:11 am to
As far as I know the reimbursement for a total joint is the same for a male as it is for a female, as is the reimbursement for a level 3 office visit.

Most large groups that contract out of a hospital negotiate the same reimbursement for all of their providers (I.e. $180/hr etc) regardless of gender.

There may be some discrepancies should someone be employed by the hospital directly and lower salary is given. But I’d bet if you whittled it down there’s a direct correlation to #hours worked, less desirable shifts taken, etc.
Posted by Koach K
Member since Nov 2016
4818 posts
Posted on 9/3/18 at 9:20 am to
They are all going W2 this day and age. What do they expect? And the ones that aren’t W2 aren’t good enough at controlling overhead so they don’t have it much better. I can’t get over how many clown-smocked scrubs are simply walking a piece of paper from A to B or shuffling patients to a room in some of these “doctor’s” offices. Hello nurse practitioner, so long doc.
This post was edited on 9/3/18 at 9:23 am
Posted by BobABooey
Parts Unknown
Member since Oct 2004
16212 posts
Posted on 9/3/18 at 9:20 am to
Fake news - I don’t remember seeing even one video where a male doctor ends up banging a female patient. Female doctors appear in most of the videos so the guy in the article is dead wrong.
Posted by yellowfin
Coastal Bar
Member since May 2006
99037 posts
Posted on 9/3/18 at 9:21 am to
Who the hell would see a lady doctor anyway?
Posted by LSU alum wannabe
Katy, TX
Member since Jan 2004
27872 posts
Posted on 9/3/18 at 9:34 am to
Did not read the story.

In my years as a nurse, female MDs do a few things. These all exclude them from money grubbing.

a. Have babies...
b. Close/limit their practices. they reach a number of patients and they won't accept anymore.
c. Do NOT usually round in the hospitals.
d. Do not usually take call.

Male MDs are usually the money whores. They take call, keep patient loads that are ridiculous, NEVER give up call, work themselves to burnout (4a-830a morning hospital rounds, 830a-whenever clinic, 5p (or whenever)- whenever they are done with night hospital rounds, go home and wait for the pager (old school)/texts to flood your phone while you try to sleep.

Not saying females don't do this, but in my experience it is about 10/1 ratio of males to females who do this type of life/career.
Posted by Cosmo
glassman's guest house
Member since Oct 2003
132620 posts
Posted on 9/3/18 at 9:34 am to
Kids or other women

I think women are only allowed to be OBGYN or pediatricians unless laws have changed recently.
Posted by Hopeful Doc
Member since Sep 2010
15388 posts
Posted on 9/3/18 at 11:41 am to
The females in my residency made exactly what I made.

The females that signed moonlighting contracts made the same rate that I made.


My wife signed an income guarantee for a private practice worth slightly more than me.


Insurance reimbursement isn't discussed between us, but she's making the same as everyone in her practice for each insurance company, and I'm making the same as my partner.

In a year when our guarantees are up, we will make different rates from each insurer per encounter based on our practices' negotiations, but they won't be based on our sex. Our production and patient turnover will dictate salaries more than who gets $60/visit vs $68 (examples, not accurate).

I will probably make more because I'm in a bigger practice, but I could be wrong. And it won't be because I am the proud owner of a penis.
Posted by LanierSpots
Gulf of America / Sarasota FL
Member since Sep 2010
71807 posts
Posted on 9/3/18 at 12:16 pm to
Sounds like the 70's had it right


Why did we change


Posted by SECdragonmaster
Order of the Dragons
Member since Dec 2013
17460 posts
Posted on 9/3/18 at 1:57 pm to
Hopeful Doc -

My wife and I are both MD’s as well. I read her the comments from people defending women and the “pay gap”.

She called it absurd. She knows that the years that she has been in medicine (full time) - she was paid very well. The years she took off to have our kids or job share with another female MD - she made far less.

It’s one of those easy debates where you can identify where someone is an idiot (If they believe an actual wage gap exists other than by personal choice).
Posted by GatorPA84
PNW
Member since Sep 2016
6447 posts
Posted on 9/3/18 at 2:08 pm to
As an orthopedic PA I agree with this. I would say the only exception would be ob/gyn field which is primarily dominated by women and is very call heavy obviously
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