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re: Feds are prosecuting contractors who are hiring illegals
Posted on 6/1/25 at 9:44 am to Swamp Angel
Posted on 6/1/25 at 9:44 am to Swamp Angel
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But are you willing to pay $100,000 more for a new home because labor for framing and drywall now pays $25-$30 per hour instead of $18-$22?
DR Horton (I know but it has public financials and is a huge builder) made almost $5 billion in net income and it’s CEO was paid over $25 million.
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Posted on 6/1/25 at 9:46 am to RaoulDuke504
Good.
Very good.
Once this becomes commonplace, the jobs for illegals will evaporate and they will go the frick home.
Very good.
Once this becomes commonplace, the jobs for illegals will evaporate and they will go the frick home.
Posted on 6/1/25 at 9:47 am to RaoulDuke504
Only in America do we arrest people for working.
Posted on 6/1/25 at 9:47 am to Screaming Viking
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If you start throwing people off off the government teet…..then yes, whitey will do it. Or any colored person abusing the welfare system.
That's a completely separate and different argument/discussion.
If we did this, wages would likely become so depressed even illegals wouldn't find it worthwhile in most industries.
But that's not happening
Posted on 6/1/25 at 9:48 am to CitizenK
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Neighbor's son started a lawn service during Covid while in high school. The boy is making around $150k a year and hired other high schools graduates to work for him.
If he went to CHS then that’s who does my yard. Great young man with a better head on his shoulders than I had at that age.
Posted on 6/1/25 at 9:57 am to theunknownknight
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I’m all about shipping illegals out and “cleaning up” our welfare spending.
Let’s do it 100%
But let’s not act like it won’t drive construction time/costs sky high in the short term.
If we did the welfare stuff the illegal issue would die quickly and we would probably save money, but this half measure is going to have pricing skyrocket
It's hilarious to watch "conservatives" talk about greedy corporations and too much profit, though. Oh yeah and living wage bullshite.
The real issue is welfare. Illegals are a symptom of that problem
Posted on 6/1/25 at 9:58 am to Mingo Was His NameO
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quote:But are you willing to pay $100,000 more for a new home because labor for framing and drywall now pays $25-$30 per hour instead of $18-$22? DR Horton (I know but it has public financials and is a huge builder) made almost $5 billion in net income and it’s CEO was paid over $25 million.
Not to mention they give away almost $50,000 on each home when you factor in the high commission and incentives they pay agents, the rate buydowns to get lower than market rate for their in-house lender, closing costs given to buyer and “free blinds, fridge etc…”. All of that is priced into the cost of the house.
Posted on 6/1/25 at 10:02 am to SlowFlowPro
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That's a completely separate and different argument/discussion.
They absolutely overlap. We are talking about jobs that many claims “Americans won’t do”. And I am saying that 50% of citizens are on some sort of welfare. Well, put them to work. No more freebies.
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even illegals wouldn't find it worthwhile in most industries
Isn’t that the goal? Capable citizens need to work. Whatever is left over can be taken by legal immigrants.
Side note - the lawfare thread anxiously awaits your arrival, clown.
Posted on 6/1/25 at 10:06 am to udtiger
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Once this becomes commonplace, the jobs for illegals will evaporate and they will go the frick home.
You are a lawyer right? do you think "employers" directly hire illegals? did you read the article? the sub contractor may have a problem but not the GC.
There is a whole industry of sub contractors, "employment agencies" that take the risk (for a nice pay day) for the GC. These are underfunded shells that fold as soon someone starts asking questions.
GC gets the benefit of the cheap labor, zero liability. Guess who owns and sits on the Board(s) of these big construction companies? Republicans.
All theater.
Posted on 6/1/25 at 10:20 am to RaoulDuke504
Good. Illegals will come to this country and stay here as long as they can make money. Those who allow them to do this are aiding and abetting illegal immigration.
Posted on 6/1/25 at 10:25 am to JoeDirt
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Down vote away
Done
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properly tax those who participate in our economy and give them a chance to assimilate.
Do you not understand that giving illegals a path to citizenship will give them a reason to keep coming illegally? No benefits, no path to citizenship if you’re illegal. That’s how you remove some of what’s causing the flow.
Posted on 6/1/25 at 10:33 am to Lakeboy7
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Only in America do we arrest people for working.
That’s not the crime they committed.
Posted on 6/1/25 at 10:40 am to baldona
Just for reference H2A minimum wage labor in Louisiana is right under $15 an hour. Every state is different depending on each states cost of living but the range is anywhere from $15-$20 an hour throughout the nation.
Posted on 6/1/25 at 10:44 am to JoeDirt
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Deport the criminals, deport the leaches but we better find a way to properly tax those who participate in our economy and give them a chance to assimilate.
Hmm, nahhhh, deport every last one of them.
Posted on 6/1/25 at 10:45 am to forkedintheroad
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Step 2 is slashing welfare
Posted on 6/1/25 at 11:31 am to Screaming Viking
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They absolutely overlap.
Only conceptually, not practically. Again, we aren't doing anything to remedy the welfare crisis and over population of welfare rolls (really not even this, it's disability today, not welfare).
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We are talking about jobs that many claims “Americans won’t do”. And I am saying that 50% of citizens are on some sort of welfare. Well, put them to work. No more freebies.
The question is, what happens when we don't do anything to remedy the issues with welfare and we deport all of these illegals?
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Isn’t that the goal?
Uh, yeah, but that's specifically not what we're doing. That's the issue.
We were discussing the actual ramifications of actual policy. You're trying to interject some fantasy policy that doesn't exist and then doubling down on the imagination with the effects on the actual policy being implemented. It makes no conceptual or rational sense.
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the lawfare thread anxiously awaits your arrival, clown.
Did someone finally define it?
Posted on 6/1/25 at 11:56 am to RaoulDuke504
Easy solution to all this. Temporary work permits, do some minor vetting and let them work 6-9 months. Make them play taxes, but not part of the social security or other public programs. Other countries do it this way.
I know these programs already exist in the US, but it is very expensive for some businesses to use it.
I know these programs already exist in the US, but it is very expensive for some businesses to use it.
This post was edited on 6/1/25 at 11:58 am
Posted on 6/1/25 at 12:05 pm to RaoulDuke504
This is the only way to solve the issue.
Cut off the money by making it tough on employers and:
1. They’ll get legal work visas
2. They’ll self deport
Cut off the money by making it tough on employers and:
1. They’ll get legal work visas
2. They’ll self deport
Posted on 6/1/25 at 12:07 pm to Lakeboy7
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There is a whole industry of sub contractors, "employment agencies" that take the risk (for a nice pay day) for the GC. These are underfunded shells that fold as soon someone starts asking questions.
GC gets the benefit of the cheap labor, zero liability. Guess who owns and sits on the Board(s) of these big construction companies? Republicans.
All theater.
Yeah, a lot of people don't seem to understand this dynamic. It's not just Republicans or just construction companies. It's just about every big company of every type.
Most "genius" CEOs that have successfully "slashed costs" in everything from chain stores to resort golf hotels to delivery services have used the shell company subcontractors playbook.
This post was edited on 6/2/25 at 7:06 am
Posted on 6/1/25 at 12:12 pm to wm72
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Most "genius" CEOs that have successfully "slashed costs" in everything from chain stores to resort golf hotels to delivery services have used the shell company subcontractors playbook.
Because everything has become too expensive in the USA due to monetary policy.
People blame companies, but your govt is the one setting the table.
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