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re: FDA finally names dog food brands linked to deadly heart disease in dogs

Posted on 7/1/19 at 11:22 am to
Posted by Tiger-Striped-Bass
The Bay Area
Member since Dec 2004
1273 posts
Posted on 7/1/19 at 11:22 am to
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Give my pup Natures Recipe


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Nature's Recipe Easy to Digest Fish meal and Potato recipe dry dog food. Dog Shepherd Dog - Australian 10 Years Female 40 Pound My dog died of heart failure as a result of dilated Cardiomyopathy in (b)(6) 2015. She had been diagnosed 6 months earlier. We had fed her Nature's Recipe Easy to Digest Fish and Potato formula for years. I just read a report that diets containing potatoes may lead to dilated cardiomyopathy. She was an Australian Shepherd, a breed that doesn't usually have this disease.


Just one example in the complete FDA list of reported cases

FDA
Posted by TheCaterpillar
Member since Jan 2004
76774 posts
Posted on 7/1/19 at 11:23 am to
Well shite, we use Taste of the Wild. It has great quality ratings as well.

Seen great results in our dog's coat and energy level.

Posted by The Boat
Member since Oct 2008
177373 posts
Posted on 7/1/19 at 11:25 am to
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Whole Hearted isn't on the list, but it sounds like it falls into the category of those that are.


Whole Hearted is solid food. But it was launched in 2016 and this study started in 2014 so I don't know if that has anything to do with it not being on the list.
Posted by Tiger-Striped-Bass
The Bay Area
Member since Dec 2004
1273 posts
Posted on 7/1/19 at 11:26 am to
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fricking Purina baby.


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Purina one lamb and rice formula Dog Mixed (Dog) 8 Years Female 43 Pound One day she started coughing/sneezing I let it go thinking it was just a cold but it started getting worse so day 3 I took her to the emergency vet clinic and they did x-rays and found her lungs almost completely filled with fluid and her heart enlarged. So they took her for 2 days and kept her in an oxygen cage to help her breathe. She was diagnosed with dilated cardiomyopathy and was given 5 months from the time of diagnosis to live. She was put on 5 medications to help with the fluid retention and arrhythmia. Since then she has lived well past the prognosis.


Just one example I came across in the full report. Data being broadcast isn't very useful without sales numbers and differences in demographics of who buys what vs. willingness to pay the vet for the diagnosis
This post was edited on 7/1/19 at 11:27 am
Posted by High C
viewing the fall....
Member since Nov 2012
61047 posts
Posted on 7/1/19 at 11:30 am to
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you couldn’t be more off base, Mr. Fat BeardedTexan stereotype


Not fat
Goateed
From and live in SELA

you know what they about both of our ASSumptions. Just funnin’.
Posted by Demshoes
Up in here
Member since Aug 2015
10731 posts
Posted on 7/1/19 at 11:31 am to
Hmmmmm....interesting. I was speaking empirically.
Posted by Sidicous
NELA
Member since Aug 2015
19296 posts
Posted on 7/1/19 at 11:32 am to
4 pages and not a single Alpo mention!



Maybe that's because it's being eaten by the Senior Citizens relying on the kindness of strangers and govt handouts!

This is what the nightly news broadcast daily during the 70's and early 80's and will fall back on if freebies/SSI reforms become the political hot potato again. Propaganda gonna propaganda after all.
Posted by TheCaterpillar
Member since Jan 2004
76774 posts
Posted on 7/1/19 at 11:32 am to
We actually buy 2 flavors of Taste of the Wild and combine them into the dog food bin and mix it up.

So in each bowl our pup gets salmon, venison, and bison.

Maybe we can get a non-grain free brand and mix it in there as well just to add some new stuff into his diet.








Ingredients:

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Salmon, ocean fish meal, sweet potatoes, potatoes, peas, canola oil, lentils, salmon meal, smoked salmon, potato fiber, natural flavor, salt, choline chloride, taurine, dried chicory root, tomatoes, blueberries, raspberries, yucca schidigera extract, dried Lactobacillus plantarum fermentation product, dried Bacillus subtilis fermentation product, dried Lactobacillus acidophilus fermentation product, dried Enterococcus faecium fermentation product, dried Bifidobacterium animalis fermentation product, vitamin E supplement, iron proteinate, zinc proteinate, copper proteinate, ferrous sulfate, zinc sulfate, copper sulfate, potassium iodide, thiamine mononitrate (vitamin B1), manganese proteinate, manganous oxide, ascorbic acid, vitamin A supplement, biotin, niacin, calcium pantothenate, manganese sulfate, sodium selenite, pyridoxine hydrochloride (vitamin B6), vitamin B12 supplement, riboflavin (vitamin B2), vitamin D supplement, folic acid.


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Buffalo, lamb meal, chicken meal, sweet potatoes, peas, potatoes, chicken fat (preserved with mixed tocopherols), egg product, roasted bison, roasted venison, beef, natural flavor, tomato pomace, potato protein, pea protein, ocean fish meal, salt, choline chloride, taurine, dried chicory root, tomatoes, blueberries, raspberries, yucca schidigera extract, dried Lactobacillus plantarum fermentation product, dried Bacillus subtilis fermentation product, dried Lactobacillus acidophilus fermentation product, dried Enterococcus faecium fermentation product, dried Bifidobacterium animalis fermentation product, vitamin E supplement, iron proteinate, zinc proteinate, copper proteinate, ferrous sulfate, zinc sulfate, copper sulfate, potassium iodide, thiamine mononitrate (vitamin B1), manganese proteinate, manganous oxide, ascorbic acid, vitamin A supplement, biotin, niacin, calcium pantothenate, manganese sulfate, sodium selenite, pyridoxine hydrochloride (vitamin B6), vitamin B12 supplement, riboflavin (vitamin B2), vitamin D supplement, folic acid.
This post was edited on 7/1/19 at 11:36 am
Posted by mtntiger
Asheville, NC
Member since Oct 2003
29730 posts
Posted on 7/1/19 at 11:33 am to
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Surprised any of the Purina brands aren't on there.


My dogs have always gotten a combination of wet and dry Purina foods. They've never had any food related issues.
Posted by scottfruget
Member since Nov 2010
3392 posts
Posted on 7/1/19 at 11:38 am to
This thread is bonkers. Y’all are worried about what your dog is eating? Like dogs haven’t lived for ages without the fretting and whining of a bunch of vets and owners.

You all realize people die too, right? You can have the best diet in the world and exercise daily, and still drop dead of a heart attack.

I find it hilarious that somehow you all think dogs are one size fits all or that you will add one second to their life by your choice of food.

What would the dog eat if you weren’t around to fill a bowl? Somehow it would eat and live.

1st world problems.

And people will stop the grain free yet dogs will still die. Awesome.
Posted by S1C EM
Athens, GA
Member since Nov 2007
11594 posts
Posted on 7/1/19 at 11:38 am to
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Purina and Iams (among others) were named as brands who have all of their dog foods compliant with standards.


Pedigree? Kept my American bulldog around for 16 years with no issues. I expect the same or better from my lab mix now.
Posted by mindbreaker
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2011
7916 posts
Posted on 7/1/19 at 11:44 am to
good thing I don't feed my dogs dog food its easier, cheaper, and better if you cook them human food. Boiled chicken thighs, Green beans and rice. they are all good to go.
Posted by skeeter531
Member since Jun 2014
2492 posts
Posted on 7/1/19 at 11:45 am to
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This thread is bonkers. Y’all are worried about what your dog is eating? Like dogs haven’t lived for ages without the fretting and whining of a bunch of vets and owners. You all realize people die too, right? You can have the best diet in the world and exercise daily, and still drop dead of a heart attack. I find it hilarious that somehow you all think dogs are one size fits all or that you will add one second to their life by your choice of food. What would the dog eat if you weren’t around to fill a bowl? Somehow it would eat and live. 1st world problems. And people will stop the grain free yet dogs will still die. Awesome.


Probably the most ignorant/uninformed comment I've ever read on this forum.
Posted by Golfer
Member since Nov 2005
75052 posts
Posted on 7/1/19 at 11:45 am to
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You all realize people die too, right? You can have the best diet in the world and exercise daily, and still drop dead of a heart attack.



Correct. But the odds of a death from heart failure drop significantly. Which is the same point being made here.

Dogs can, and will still, get DCM. But there's evidence to support a grain-free diet enhances that chance. Just like the person that eats a high-fat, high-calorie diet and doesn't exercise will enhance their chances of heart disease vs. the person who watches their diet.
Posted by skeeter531
Member since Jun 2014
2492 posts
Posted on 7/1/19 at 11:51 am to
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good thing I don't feed my dogs dog food its easier, cheaper, and better if you cook them human food. Boiled chicken thighs, Green beans and rice. they are all good to go.


Yes!! I believe you are correct! Even though I used grain free Fromm for a couple of years, I only fed my dog that in the morning. At night she got cooked chicken, green beans, and plain nonfat yogurt. I'm hoping that minimized her risk from the grain free food and that she remains healthy.
Posted by TheCaterpillar
Member since Jan 2004
76774 posts
Posted on 7/1/19 at 11:51 am to
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Correct. But the odds of a death from heart failure drop significantly. Which is the same point being made here.

Dogs can, and will still, get DCM. But there's evidence to support a grain-free diet enhances that chance. Just like the person that eats a high-fat, high-calorie diet and doesn't exercise will enhance their chances of heart disease vs. the person who watches their diet.


Golfer, aren't you the one that shared a dog food rating website with me once?

Taste of the Wild got superior marks on there. Obviously this isn't a quality issue and more of a grain-free issue. But I'd like to see that list and buy the highest rated non-grain free option to mix with my Taste of the Wild stuff.

Posted by FatBoy62
Arkansas
Member since May 2018
772 posts
Posted on 7/1/19 at 11:52 am to
Can't believe nobody has mentioned Diamond. They sale it at TSC and hardware stores. Pretty much all of the hunters in my area feed it to their hunting dogs. I've fed it to my lab since he was a pup with good success.
Posted by Golfer
Member since Nov 2005
75052 posts
Posted on 7/1/19 at 11:53 am to
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Golfer, aren't you the one that shared a dog food rating website with me once?


Don't think so... but I might have when we were in search for some food adjustments for the lab I was talked about earlier.

Our dogs continue to be on Science Diet, though.
Posted by MLCLyons
Member since Nov 2012
4778 posts
Posted on 7/1/19 at 11:55 am to
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Ah so people pay more for hipster dog food that kills their dog


I've been getting the grain free food at Costco and it's not expensive there. $26 for a 35lb bag. Of course that's more than Old Roy, but that stuff is garbage.
Posted by CaptainPanic
18.44311,-64.764021
Member since Sep 2011
25582 posts
Posted on 7/1/19 at 11:55 am to
Glad mine only gets Rachel Ray’s


lol @ Blue Buffalo
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