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re: FCC plans to vote to overturn U.S. net neutrality rules in December

Posted on 11/17/17 at 4:40 pm to
Posted by Orange_and_Blur
Gainesville
Member since Nov 2017
644 posts
Posted on 11/17/17 at 4:40 pm to
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fricking pisses me off. None of these old tards even realize like 90% of the comments sent to the FCC in support of the repeal were sent by bots.


So, you're saying Media Matters support repeal?
Posted by Orange_and_Blur
Gainesville
Member since Nov 2017
644 posts
Posted on 11/17/17 at 4:46 pm to
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ETA How can people not see that the service providers and the FCC want us to continue fighting this "Net Neutrality" fight...the reason for that is because they win either way.


This.

I keep reading about NN and trying to figure it out and no matter what I see, read, hear, it seems neither side is really going to deliver anything of value to the consumer.

In the end this is about controlling information. The power brokers across the world have figured out their grip on things is going to be broken due to the internet and the flow of information that is virtually unfettered right now. They are acting to stop that.

I suspect the only way this gets fixed is violence. Hate to say it, but I think that is the path we are on. Really sucks.
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
119977 posts
Posted on 11/17/17 at 4:47 pm to
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You realize Youtube is owned / controlled by Google right?


I have my issues with YouTube censorship that I have been very vocal about, but they still don’t control the entire distribution of the internet.

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Oh, and putting John Oliver out there as a credible source to explain anything destroys your credibility. There's nothing about John Oliver that isn't heavily biased and nothing he does that is free of an agenda.


Ok, so? Are you pro-civil forfeiture as well? He’s right about this.

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I feel compelled to side with whatever argument is opposite of yours, because of this. Congrats.


Because I agree with Oliver in this instance? Ok, then just trust the baby with the dingo that has on every given chance murdered it and see how that works out.

And if you just take the opposite stance I do by default, then congrats on being a simpleton for refusing to think things through at all.
This post was edited on 11/17/17 at 4:49 pm
Posted by Centinel
Idaho
Member since Sep 2016
44120 posts
Posted on 11/17/17 at 4:53 pm to
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Free websites will go out of business or you will have to start paying for it.


No such thing as a free website. The website is generating revenue by selling ad space and/or providing your usage metrics to advertising companies.

You think the ISPs are the real bogeyman? They're small bit players compared to Google and Amazon.

Every aspect of your life is tracked and sold online.
Posted by northshorebamaman
Cochise County AZ
Member since Jul 2009
37351 posts
Posted on 11/17/17 at 4:59 pm to
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No such thing as a free website. The website is generating revenue by selling ad space and/or providing your usage metrics to advertising companies.

That's not true. There are a lot of smaller sites that operate at private expense and/or donations. Not every site is a revenue generator.
Posted by PhillipJFry
Member since Sep 2016
1047 posts
Posted on 11/17/17 at 8:06 pm to
How much do you pay to use TD? What about youtube, or Twitter/ facebook, etc.

As someone else said, you will be paying $5 a month to use YouTube going forward. And TD.com will be slower thwn early 2000's dial up.
Posted by Centinel
Idaho
Member since Sep 2016
44120 posts
Posted on 11/17/17 at 8:09 pm to
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How much do you pay to use TD? What about youtube, or Twitter/ facebook, etc.



Ask Chicken what his revenue is from ad sales.

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As someone else said, you will be paying $5 a month to use YouTube going forward.


According to?

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And TD.com will be slower thwn early 2000's dial up.


You're cute if you think TD is even remotely on the radar of the companies involved in this.
Posted by Centinel
Idaho
Member since Sep 2016
44120 posts
Posted on 11/17/17 at 8:09 pm to
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That's not true. There are a lot of smaller sites that operate at private expense and/or donations. Not every site is a revenue generator.


And in terms of viewership they aren't even a blip.
Posted by Halftrack
The Wild Blue Yonder
Member since Apr 2015
2763 posts
Posted on 11/17/17 at 8:23 pm to
Well, it was nice knowin’ ya’ boys. This Trump FCC director is determined to dismantle net neutrality and I am afraid that sites like this won’t survive. ??
Posted by Centinel
Idaho
Member since Sep 2016
44120 posts
Posted on 11/17/17 at 8:46 pm to
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Well, it was nice knowin’ ya’ boys. This Trump FCC director is determined to dismantle net neutrality and I am afraid that sites like this won’t survive. ??


It's cute you think TD is even an afterthought for ISPs and major content providers.

Posted by Halftrack
The Wild Blue Yonder
Member since Apr 2015
2763 posts
Posted on 11/17/17 at 8:49 pm to
It’s cute you don’t know what the frick is going on.
Posted by Orange_and_Blur
Gainesville
Member since Nov 2017
644 posts
Posted on 11/17/17 at 8:51 pm to
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The older generation is gonna have to start dying before people who actually understand tech can be the ones making the decisions.


Well, this is a dumb comment. It's the "older generation" that conceived of and created all the tech that's out there.
Posted by Orange_and_Blur
Gainesville
Member since Nov 2017
644 posts
Posted on 11/17/17 at 8:54 pm to
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LSURussian is a 70 year old baby boomer who still thinks gas and coal are solid retirement investments

its best to ignore


What a stupid statement.

I know a guy with those investments. He buys a new Porsche every time the weather changes. Lives an amazing life and is set forever.
Posted by Centinel
Idaho
Member since Sep 2016
44120 posts
Posted on 11/17/17 at 8:55 pm to
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It’s cute you don’t know what the frick is going on.



Refute my statement.
Posted by HeavyCore
Member since Sep 2012
2552 posts
Posted on 11/17/17 at 9:12 pm to
My favorite analogy is power: would you be okay with power companies 1) being aware of what devices you plug into your outlets at home, and 2) being able to charge you different rates based on, say, the type of device or even the manufacturer?

It would be like allowing the power company to cut power to GE washing machines because GE didn't play ball with them, and forcing people to pay extra or use Maytag.


YOU WANT NET NEUTRALITY!
Posted by Halftrack
The Wild Blue Yonder
Member since Apr 2015
2763 posts
Posted on 11/17/17 at 9:14 pm to
A lot of people don’t seem to understand this. You say Trump, and they bend over. It’s really sad.
Posted by DrSteveBrule
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2009
12373 posts
Posted on 11/17/17 at 9:19 pm to
I can't wait until net neutrality ends so all the fricking retards out there can see that things will be better.

Bunch of idiots believing everything they read on the internet, mostly lies spread by many of the largest internet companies on earth.

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Well, it was nice knowin’ ya’ boys. This Trump FCC director is determined to dismantle net neutrality and I am afraid that sites like this won’t survive. ??




It will be fine.

We want the government to leave us alone, but for some reason we think them forcing the internet to be a "level playing field" is a good idea? Talk about mixed ideals.
This post was edited on 11/17/17 at 9:21 pm
Posted by Halftrack
The Wild Blue Yonder
Member since Apr 2015
2763 posts
Posted on 11/17/17 at 9:21 pm to
Well put Komrad. Well put.
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
133401 posts
Posted on 11/17/17 at 10:11 pm to
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Well put Komrad.
It's "comrade."
Posted by TH03
Mogadishu
Member since Dec 2008
171936 posts
Posted on 11/17/17 at 10:13 pm to
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We want the government to leave us alone, but for some reason we think them forcing the internet to be a "level playing field" is a good idea? Talk about mixed ideals.


You really think overturning this means the government isn't involved?
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