Started By
Message

re: FCC plans to vote to overturn U.S. net neutrality rules in December

Posted on 11/17/17 at 8:37 am to
Posted by Obtuse1
Westside Bodymore Yo
Member since Sep 2016
25558 posts
Posted on 11/17/17 at 8:37 am to
quote:

There's always that one guy that has no idea what he's talking about but thinks he can come in and be a smartass.

Congrats mate, we were waiting for you to show up!


It is a political talking point.
Posted by Halftrack
The Wild Blue Yonder
Member since Apr 2015
2763 posts
Posted on 11/17/17 at 8:37 am to
I am beginning to wonder if LSURussian is actually a Russian in a troll factory somewhere in Russia.

Well, if this passes, good to know you all mates!
Posted by Devil_doge
DFW
Member since Sep 2016
2499 posts
Posted on 11/17/17 at 8:37 am to
That's what happens when a federal regulatory agency is ran by people who retire or move on from the cable and telecommunications industry.
Posted by SippyCup
Gulf Coast
Member since Sep 2008
6139 posts
Posted on 11/17/17 at 8:38 am to
quote:

I actually disagree here. It’s not about money: it’s about power and control. The MSM is fricking terrified that they’ve lost the narrative. They firmly blame YouTube, Facebook, and Twitter for Trump winning the election.


This NN issue was relevant before Trump was elected, so I'm not so sure this is the case.
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
108098 posts
Posted on 11/17/17 at 8:40 am to
quote:

This NN issue was relevant before Trump was elected, so I'm not so sure this is the case.


In the very least, it makes them want to double down.
Posted by Chuker
St George, Louisiana
Member since Nov 2015
7544 posts
Posted on 11/17/17 at 9:07 am to
internet needs to be treated as a utility. Imo, if you have the ability to use imminent domain for a right-of-way then you aren't 100% in the private sector and you should be subject to oversight by the public.
Posted by rocket31
Member since Jan 2008
41819 posts
Posted on 11/17/17 at 9:09 am to
quote:

There's always that one guy that has no idea what he's talking about but thinks he can come in and be a smartass.

Congrats mate, we were waiting for you to show up!


LSURussian is a 70 year old baby boomer who still thinks gas and coal are solid retirement investments

its best to ignore
This post was edited on 11/17/17 at 9:10 am
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
126961 posts
Posted on 11/17/17 at 9:13 am to
quote:

LSURussian is a 70 year old
Nope.
quote:

who still thinks gas and coal are solid retirement investments

I don't own coal. But I do own XOM. I enjoy getting the $12,000 dividend from it every 3 months that's taxed at a flat 15%.

Remember that time when you made an informative, intelligent post?





Me, neither.....
Posted by SG_Geaux
1 Post
Member since Aug 2004
77929 posts
Posted on 11/17/17 at 9:14 am to
quote:

You're complaining that a company charges extra for an upgraded service?


They aren't going to upgrade a thing. They will downgrade other services.
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
126961 posts
Posted on 11/17/17 at 9:15 am to
quote:

Well, if this passes, good to know you all mates!
If it means you'll no longer have access to the internet, we'll all be better off.
quote:

I am beginning to wonder if LSURussian is actually a Russian in a troll factory somewhere in Russia.

Nyet!!!
Posted by GeorgeTheGreek
Sparta, Greece
Member since Mar 2008
66405 posts
Posted on 11/17/17 at 9:17 am to
The OPEN internet is what makes it so incredibly awesome.

If you want to have government involved internet you can visit N. Korea.
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
126961 posts
Posted on 11/17/17 at 9:18 am to
quote:

Chicken will have to pay $$$$ to have his site go at the speed it is going now.
Yet he's never once posted a thread explaining that to be the case. But I guess you know more about his business than he does.
Posted by WavinWilly
Wavin Away in Sharlo
Member since Oct 2010
8781 posts
Posted on 11/17/17 at 9:18 am to
quote:

Either make it a utility or let the free market handle it.


Well the problem originates from the government. But until the cause of the problem is fixed, this is one of the rare instances of more regulation, in this case Net Neutrality, will actually help. In case anyone doesn't know....

Most people only have access to 2 or less broadband internet providers. Generally, these are your cable company and your legacy telephone company. Part of the reason for this is because local governments (Parishes cities, and even states) often protect this duopoly. They regulate it in such a manner that only the incumbent providers have a chance. And when a city decides to allow a new provider, it is often met with delays and lawsuits.

So without competition, the incumbent providers have no fear of abusing their position to extort more money out of either you their customer, or the content generators like Netflix.

As an example, Nashville was selected to be a Google Fiber city. AT&T and Comcast obviously didn't like this. So they abused existing line move regulations and drug out the process to months for each individual pole. Google had to apply for lines to be moved on each pole (Over 8,000) and had to wait months for each pole.

quote:

As it stands, a new provider must wait on each existing provider to move its lines on a pole and make it ready for the new line. Google Fiber says the months-long process has slowed its rollout in Nashville. The One Touch Make Ready proposal, up for final vote on Sept. 20, would allow a contractor to move all existing providers' lines in one session.
Source

So now that Nashville has started the One Touch Make Ready policy, they are facing lawsuits from, you guessed it, AT&T.
quote:

AT&T has sued Nashville to stop a new ordinance designed to accelerate the deployment of Google Fiber. The lawsuit (PDF) was filed in US District Court in Nashville yesterday, only two days after the Nashville Metro Council passed a “One Touch Make Ready” rule that gives new ISPs faster access to utility poles. The ordinance lets a single company make all of the necessary wire adjustments on utility poles itself, instead of having to wait for incumbent providers like AT&T and Comcast to send work crews to move their own wires. Google Fiber says it is waiting on AT&T and Comcast to move wires on nearly 8,000 poles.
Source

So until we can do something about the local sponsored duopolies, and foster actual competition, Net Neutrality is needed, or better yet regulate them as a utility. And the malicious abuse of regulations and the legal system like in Nashville need to be punished so harshly a scenario like that will never happen again. I hope the new LEO satellite constellations like One Web can absolutely obliterate the incumbent wireline providers.

In a perfect world, a conduit would be owned by the government, and the different providers would simply lease space to run their fiber through the conduit.

But in reality the FCC is going to ruin the internet and only when things get so bad that congress can't ignore the uproar will we see a permanent solution.
This post was edited on 11/17/17 at 9:20 am
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
126961 posts
Posted on 11/17/17 at 9:19 am to
quote:

If you want to have government involved internet
The government has always been involved in the internet, snowflake.
Posted by rocket31
Member since Jan 2008
41819 posts
Posted on 11/17/17 at 9:20 am to
quote:

The OPEN internet is what makes it so incredibly awesome.



NN has allowed this very own site to thrive and make chicken a millionaire

other cool, weird, interesting online communities are able to thrive under NN as well

the ability of startups and small businesses to compete with giant monopolies in our economy is vital.
Posted by GeorgeTheGreek
Sparta, Greece
Member since Mar 2008
66405 posts
Posted on 11/17/17 at 9:22 am to
Oh, you're one of those that says snowflake and cuck a lot in an effort to be cool and trendy?

Nevermind, not worth arguing with.
Posted by MontyFranklyn
T-Town
Member since Jan 2012
23830 posts
Posted on 11/17/17 at 9:24 am to
Again, how no one saw this coming from a mile away is kind of shocking. They are losing money on cord cutters that prefer streaming. They weren't going to just sit there and take those losses. They had to get their lobbyists to push this agenda.
Posted by Upperdecker
St. George, LA
Member since Nov 2014
30543 posts
Posted on 11/17/17 at 9:24 am to
Internet should be a utility. Having a computer and internet is almost a requirement in or society. If you need a job, you fill out online applications. Most important information comes through the internet or email now. It’s an essential utility in the same way electricity is. You can get by without it, but it’s not reasonable and it makes life much more difficult
Posted by WavinWilly
Wavin Away in Sharlo
Member since Oct 2010
8781 posts
Posted on 11/17/17 at 9:27 am to
quote:

Again, how no one saw this coming from a mile away is kind of shocking. They are losing money on cord cutters that prefer streaming. They weren't going to just sit there and take those losses. They had to get their lobbyists to push this agenda


Exactly. And you already see the strategy they plan on implementing. Data caps, but they will offer a streaming service that is "sponsored data" or is 0-rated against your caps. So by abusing their position they can make it hard to go to any other streaming service besides their own. And then the fees and up-charges start happening. They will claim it's simply vertical integration, but in reality it's just anti-competitiveness.

DirecTVNow, Charter has one, Comcast has one, and I think Cox is starting one, just to name a few.
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
126961 posts
Posted on 11/17/17 at 9:30 am to
quote:

Nevermind, not worth arguing with.
Especially when you can't argue that the government has always been involved in the internet. Hell, the government partially funded the internet to be created!
first pageprev pagePage 2 of 6Next pagelast page

Back to top
logoFollow TigerDroppings for LSU Football News
Follow us on Twitter, Facebook and Instagram to get the latest updates on LSU Football and Recruiting.

FacebookTwitterInstagram