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re: FBI: more killed by hammers than rifles
Posted on 8/12/19 at 10:24 am to BuckeyeFan87
Posted on 8/12/19 at 10:24 am to BuckeyeFan87
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What exactly is the point you are attempting to make?
That more people are killed by hammers and other blunt objects than rifles?
I mean it shouldn't be that hard to grasp the statistics in front of you.
This post was edited on 8/12/19 at 10:25 am
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Posted on 8/12/19 at 11:14 am to Centinel
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That more people are killed by hammers and other blunt objects than rifles? I mean it shouldn't be that hard to grasp the statistics in front of you.
What is the endgame of that statistic though?
A fact alone doesn't make a point, especially in an argument that is infamous for stretching the truth.
Blunt objects kill more people than rifles. Firearms account for 70%+ murders in this country. Facts, sure, but what's the point?
Posted on 8/12/19 at 11:25 am to slackster
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Facts, sure, but what's the point?
Calling for a ban on AR-15s is stupid because you're more likely to be killed by a blunt object?
Posted on 8/12/19 at 11:29 am to Centinel
quote:Right, but I think their point is that if someone knows you and wants to kill you, they pretty much can do that with anything (gun, knife, blunt object, etc..). If someone wants to kill a bunch of random people, they aren't going to do it with a blunt object.
Calling for a ban on AR-15s is stupid because you're more likely to be killed by a blunt object?
I don't think a ban on semi-automatic rifles is reasonable, though.
Posted on 8/12/19 at 11:32 am to Epic Cajun
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If someone wants to kill a bunch of random people, they aren't going to do it with a blunt object.
And they have many other options besides a rifle as well.
Posted on 8/12/19 at 11:32 am to Epic Cajun
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If someone wants to kill a bunch of random people, they aren't going to do it with a blunt object.
You're right they could use a car or a truck or a bus or a bomb or a poisen or a plane or a fire or a knife.
Posted on 8/12/19 at 11:34 am to Centinel
quote:You're right, but it's the most efficient legal option, right?
And they have many other options besides a rifle as well.
Again, I'm not saying it's reasonable to ban semi-automatic rifles, but this is their argument.
Posted on 8/12/19 at 11:38 am to cypresstiger
Well, the stat category is a little odd because it lists deaths by blunt objects (hammers, clubs, etc.), knives or cutting instruments, and then rifles, but you think it would say "rifles or other guns" because the other categories or more broad.
Posted on 8/12/19 at 11:48 am to Epic Cajun
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but it's the most efficient legal option, right?
No. A uhaul filled with explosives is way more efficient.
In fact, a semi-automatic rifle may be the least efficient option.
This post was edited on 8/12/19 at 12:40 pm
Posted on 8/12/19 at 11:48 am to Nguyener
quote:Are these "explodes" legal?
filled with explodes
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In fact, a semi-automatic rifle may be the least efficient option.
Really? It's the least efficient legal way to commit mass murder? If so, why do many people go that route?
This post was edited on 8/12/19 at 11:50 am
Posted on 8/12/19 at 12:07 pm to cypresstiger
And knives twice as much as rifles
Posted on 8/12/19 at 12:07 pm to cypresstiger
Well...when the trigger is pulled, the hammer does hit the firing pin and cartridge goes boom...so I guess they are correct.
Posted on 8/12/19 at 12:16 pm to Epic Cajun
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Are these "explodes" legal?
Sure. It's just fertilizer.
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Really? It's the least efficient legal way to commit mass murder? If so, why do many people go that route?
Because the point is media attention. No better way than to use the boogeyman that is the "assault rifle."
Posted on 8/12/19 at 12:17 pm to Epic Cajun
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Are these "explodes" legal?
Yes.
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It's the least efficient legal way to commit mass murder?
Yes. Compare single event mass shootings and their death/injury toll to the Oklahoma city bombing, suicide bombers, 9/11, truck killings, etc...
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why do many people go that route?
Feelings of Power, fear a gun causes, enhanced publicity, psychoticnsss, the ability to watch it unfold? There are a number of case studies done on the mind of psychos. But they could've been much much more destructive with other legal means.
This post was edited on 8/12/19 at 12:41 pm
Posted on 8/12/19 at 1:15 pm to cypresstiger
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hammers don’t kill. People swinging hammers kill.
Posted on 8/12/19 at 2:23 pm to slackster
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Blunt objects kill more people than rifles. Firearms account for 70%+ murders in this country. Facts, sure, but what's the point?
The point is that AR's aren't the boogeymen the media says they are.
Posted on 8/12/19 at 3:02 pm to upgrayedd
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The point is that AR's aren't the boogeymen the media says they are.
I addressed this earlier in the thread - people don't care about gang violence, one on one violence, domestic violence, etc.
People are worried about children and random people being killed in mass settings. Rifles, while not necessarily the biggest culprit, are a much bigger percentage of those kills than "blunt objects." The conversation is not about what people could use, it's about what they are using.
The whataboutism in 2A threads regarding mass shooters is nauseating (not accusing you directly). You're not going to win over any advocates by arguing blunt objects are a bigger threat to your safety than rifles. Sticking to relevant facts is far more effective.
I'll also concede your not going to win over hardcore people either way, but the undecided folks in the middle are important.
Posted on 8/12/19 at 5:29 pm to Centinel
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That more people are killed by hammers and other blunt objects than rifles? I mean it shouldn't be that hard to grasp the statistics in front of you.
As do vehicles. And drunk drivers. And a million other things I’m sure.
I still fail to grasp the point being made by the OP
Posted on 8/12/19 at 5:46 pm to slackster
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People are worried about children and random people being killed in mass settings.
Show of hands...who is REALLY worried about this?
To be frank, I'm far more worried about my two school aged boys being killed by some housewife who's tweeting about Common Sense Gun Control while trying to drive than I am about some random arse mass shooting at their schools, or Target, or elsewhere.
Why? Because we know just how many thousands and thousands are killed each year by distracted drivers. It absolutely dwarfs these random events.
I tend to be a parent that overly worries...but this just is not something I think much about at all. The statistics simply do not bear out spending any real time worrying about it.
Posted on 8/12/19 at 5:47 pm to cypresstiger
Breitbart = 100% false.
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