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re: Fauci says vaccine won’t stop transmission
Posted on 1/25/21 at 10:39 am to tgrbaitn08
Posted on 1/25/21 at 10:39 am to tgrbaitn08
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Thats me and about a couple other dozen people I know
How do you know that you had covid if you did not get tested? More than 80% of the people that have symptom(s) of covid test negative for covid but positive for a respiratory virus other than covid.
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Posted on 1/25/21 at 10:41 am to Lebowski
This is his moment and he never wants it to end
Posted on 1/25/21 at 10:43 am to CatfishJohn
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Because I work in healthcare on the operations side for a consulting firm that has very large clients and I know the ICU census in a lot of major cities.
There have been some serious clogs around the country coming in waves throughout this thing. There are currently quite a few. Just because it doesn't happen everywhere at the same time doesn't mean it isn't happening.
If it was as bad as you say and as bad as they were preparing for.... why did the big Navy Hospital that parked in NYC never get used? What about the convention center?
I thought we were supposed to run out of ventilators 6 months ago?
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I know the ICU census in a lot of major cities.
ICU are supposed to be full.....how can a hospital charge for an ICU bed when no one is in it...just like hotel room
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There have been some serious clogs around the country coming in waves throughout this thing. There are currently quite a few. Just because it doesn't happen everywhere at the same time doesn't mean it isn't happening.
And furthermore, I stated 2 points to the vaccine and the latter is certainly more critical. If we just vaccinate everyone over 65 the death rate (and hospitalization rate) would plummet.
Posted on 1/25/21 at 10:45 am to CatfishJohn
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We obviously know locking everything down stops the spread of anything,
We've been waiting for almost a year.
When is the lockdown supposed to start working?
Posted on 1/25/21 at 10:48 am to WeeWee
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How do you know that you had covid if you did not get tested?
I implying that we fall into that category of people that had symptoms, said they had it but didnt get tested ...I wasnt in fact saying we had it(because we really dont know...just assumed)...im saying we "said" we had it...as an assumption.
Posted on 1/25/21 at 10:53 am to HeadSlash
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Fauci is a big fraud
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Dude worked for Reagan, career beaureacrat. He's got to go.
Career politicians as well.
I've been saying this since May. All anyone has to do is listen to the good doctor talk. He is a bureaucratic piece of shite who answers questions the way he thinks the person asking them wants to hear them. He's contradicted himself numerous times. He's stuck is foot in his mouth many times over. He hasn't practiced medicine in decades, but practices politics every day. He's a lifelong bureaucrat, that's all. The fact that he is still being propped up some national hero, and has actually parlayed the disaster that 2020 was into a promotion with the new administration is a fricking joke, and it tells you a whole lot about our political system. This man is on the forefront of our international policy-making.
Posted on 1/25/21 at 11:05 am to Vacherie Saint
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And before you tell me it would have been worse, Denmark has only about 10% mask utilization and Australia has about 20%, and their active cases are dropping like a rock.
Australia implemented some very serious lockdowns and prohibited travel between states and it's almost impossible to travel to Australia right now. Being an island that closes its self off is the real reason for the drop in cases. Things are damn normal in Australia.
Australia and New Zealand are outliers they are islands that essentially shut themselves off to the outside world. These are the only places a lockdown can work (towards stopping the virus and not just slowing spread) because once the spread stops you don't have additional infected people bringing it back to areas where it had disappeared from.
This post was edited on 1/25/21 at 11:15 am
Posted on 1/25/21 at 11:05 am to tgrbaitn08
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We've been waiting for almost a year.
When is the lockdown supposed to start working?
You're lost.
I meant those other countries with better COVID numbers had much more extreme lockdowns, which worked. But I was also saying that those lockdowns aren't worth it because of the damage they cause themselves.
Posted on 1/25/21 at 11:08 am to WeeWee
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Yes I am taking into account the individuals that had covid (confirmed by tests) and recovered from it.
In your opinion, what is the immunity period following infection? I know the CDC is very conservative with the 90 days. The new UK study pegs it at 5-6 months at least.
Posted on 1/25/21 at 11:12 am to CatfishJohn
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You're lost.
I meant those other countries with better COVID numbers had much more extreme lockdowns, which worked. But I was also saying that those lockdowns aren't worth it because of the damage they cause themselves.
NO, you're lost...those lockdowns worked because they were ahead of the virus...they locked down before the virus showed up....therefor there was no virus to spread...
The virus was already here and these dumbasses locked us down...it was too late and they still havent realized that lock downs dont just magically make the virus dissapear
This post was edited on 1/25/21 at 11:13 am
Posted on 1/25/21 at 11:14 am to Antonio Moss
My aunt's employer is paying for antibody testing monthly .. it allows her to go into the field to do her job.
At 6 months post covid, she's still got the antibodies. I have of course no idea how protective they are BUT she is still testing positive for them. There was a poster on the OT who said he/she was still testing positive at 9 months.
At 6 months post covid, she's still got the antibodies. I have of course no idea how protective they are BUT she is still testing positive for them. There was a poster on the OT who said he/she was still testing positive at 9 months.
Posted on 1/25/21 at 11:28 am to tgrbaitn08
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If it was as bad as you say and as bad as they were preparing for.... why did the big Navy Hospital that parked in NYC never get used? What about the convention center?
I thought we were supposed to run out of ventilators 6 months ago?
Because it was impractical for those to be used towards the end of the hospital surge in NYC when they arrived. And I never sky screamed it was bad, I just said there are indeed hospitals full of COVID patients in this country that are redirecting patients with other issues to other hospitals because of it.
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I thought we were supposed to run out of ventilators 6 months ago?
I never argued this either way, but ventilators are also used far less now that we've learned a bit about this virus. Also we did a fantastic job (Trump's team) of making more of them so we have a surplus.
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ICU are supposed to be full.....how can a hospital charge for an ICU bed when no one is in it...just like hotel room
Proper census is 80% with a 2-3 day length of stay (depending on insurance and DRG). We are seeing 100+% any given day at a ton of hospitals. But the real issue isn't just how full but what they are full of. Because of COVID infection protocols in hospitals it is very taxing on the staff and bottom line. They use far more precaution which takes far more time to care for and costs a whole lot more in variable costs and staffing. Because of liability, they are using insane precaution to not have facility spread of the virus in hospitals.
I believe we should've open the country completely a long time ago and told the vulnerable to isolate. I also think healthcare workers shouldn't be vaccinated first, it should be all older people and those with comorbidities. We aren't seeing nurses and doctors dying unless they're very old, sick, obese, or a combination.
But you can argue that without making the dumb points you continue to make.
Posted on 1/25/21 at 11:35 am to CatfishJohn
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But you can argue that without making the dumb points you continue to make.
You're the one arguing with yourself as mostly agreed with everything I stated
Posted on 1/25/21 at 11:37 am to bigberg2000
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Its common sense that it doesnt stop transmission. Think about it. It lives in your nose so you wont be affected but its still there and you could give it to people and if they arent vaccinated they could get sick.
Nah, that's too hard for all these idiots on here to comprehend. Common sense doesn't exist on the OT anymore. They'd rather believe conspiracy theories etc.
Posted on 1/25/21 at 11:42 am to Lebowski
At the risk of being redundant and succumbing to trolls, I will try to answer this with a reasonable answer in case this is a legitimate lack of understanding.
Consider 2 different individuals, A&B. A has no prior exposure to COVID and has not been vaccinated so has no immunity. B has either been exposed or has had an effective vaccine and has immunity.
A&B go to the same place and both get exposed to COVID and the virus is successfully “transmitted” to each of them. B, due to their immunity, mounts an effective immune response and the virus is killed before B gets symptoms or expansion of the virus in their body to levels that allows it to leave the body and potentially transmit to other individuals. A, on the other hand, with no immunity, has the virus expand quickly in their body, allowing transmission to other individuals and develop symptoms. B halts the life cycle and spread of the virus, A propagates the spread of the virus. Transmission is related to exposure to the virus and is independent of the immunity status of an individual.
Consider 2 different individuals, A&B. A has no prior exposure to COVID and has not been vaccinated so has no immunity. B has either been exposed or has had an effective vaccine and has immunity.
A&B go to the same place and both get exposed to COVID and the virus is successfully “transmitted” to each of them. B, due to their immunity, mounts an effective immune response and the virus is killed before B gets symptoms or expansion of the virus in their body to levels that allows it to leave the body and potentially transmit to other individuals. A, on the other hand, with no immunity, has the virus expand quickly in their body, allowing transmission to other individuals and develop symptoms. B halts the life cycle and spread of the virus, A propagates the spread of the virus. Transmission is related to exposure to the virus and is independent of the immunity status of an individual.
Posted on 1/25/21 at 11:44 am to Lebowski
Fauci is cock sucking narcissistic POS. frick that guy.
Posted on 1/25/21 at 11:45 am to Bamadiver
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What a ridiculous stereotype and in general dumb statement.
I can agree on some level there but that pales in comparison to saying a person shouldn't be in a position because of their ability to throw a ball whilst said position has absolutely nothing to do with throwing a ball.
Posted on 1/25/21 at 11:51 am to A Menace to Sobriety
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Fauci is cock sucking narcissistic POS. frick that guy.
Hmmm, sounds a lot like a former shitty President.
Posted on 1/25/21 at 11:53 am to moon
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Its common sense that it doesnt stop transmission. Think about it. It lives in your nose so you wont be affected but its still there and you could give it to people and if they arent vaccinated they could get sick.
Nah, that's too hard for all these idiots on here to comprehend. Common sense doesn't exist on the OT anymore
The initial comment is incredibly dumb and the fact that you think its "common sense" speaks volume.
Transmissibility is directly realted to viral loads which is directly affected by vaccination.
Posted on 1/25/21 at 11:55 am to tiger91
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My aunt's employer is paying for antibody testing monthly .. it allows her to go into the field to do her job.
At 6 months post covid, she's still got the antibodies.
Immunity goes far beyond the presence of antibodies. Long-term immunity is determined by T and B cell response.
In fact, a new study suggests that immunity lasts six months or longer thanks to B cell memory: LINK
This post was edited on 1/25/21 at 11:59 am
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