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re: Fauci and Covid Vaccine During Pregnancy

Posted on 8/18/26 at 10:17 am to
Posted by STEVED00
Member since May 2007
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Posted on 8/18/26 at 10:17 am to
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82% of women did not miscarry after being vaccinated in the first trimester. Lots of those pregnancies were still ongoing, meaning they did not miscarry. The only way for a pregnancy to be "completed" before full term is to have a miscarriage (in this context)


I understand. I think that was an extremely misleading stat to put in the results section of a report. I think it was put it bc it fit the narrative that miscarriage rate was around the average knowing the data set was not complete.

I am also digging into the the first full data set now and I will say I’m curious why 20 wk gestation or halfway point was utilized and not the normal trimester approach with the 1st trimester (<13wks) clearly being where the vast majority of miscarriages occur.
This post was edited on 8/18/26 at 10:39 am
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 8/18/26 at 10:42 am to
If you want I can provide you with even more recent studies of over 100k pregnant women and vaccination at different points in pregnancy. But I have a feeling it won’t really matter
This post was edited on 8/18/26 at 10:44 am
Posted by STEVED00
Member since May 2007
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Posted on 8/18/26 at 10:44 am to
Sure. Send a link.
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 8/18/26 at 10:49 am to
Sweden + Norway — JAMA, 157,521 pregnancies

LINK


And for the babies exposed in utero

Sweden + Norway neonatal study — JAMA, 196,470 infants

LINK
Posted by grizzlylongcut
Member since Sep 2021
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Posted on 8/18/26 at 11:04 am to
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If anybody in our times deserved to be tarred and feathered, it's Fauci.


The fact this has 20 downvotes is crazy to me.
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
112573 posts
Posted on 8/18/26 at 11:08 am to
I think it’s the inconsistencies, as most do see Fauci as a villain

Tar and feather Fauci, but celebrate the man that put Fauci in charge and gave him a medal? Just strange

Also, this specific instance for Fauci which is the premise of the thread is based on a lie

Fauci is absolutely a villain who deserves punishment, but we once again let the politicians off the hook who were the true POS that held all the power
This post was edited on 8/18/26 at 11:09 am
Posted by LegendInMyMind
Member since Apr 2019
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Posted on 8/18/26 at 11:08 am to
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I reviewed and still feel like they were pressured/coerced/shamed for no real benefit and questionable results. Does that make you upset?

The actual study didn't back up your claims, so you pivoted to "feelings", huh?
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
40038 posts
Posted on 8/18/26 at 11:27 am to
The rate of miscarriages from just regular pregnancies is incredibly high. This following citation is from Williams Obstetrics, a residency level textbook:

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Rates for miscarriage vary according to the study population. In pregnancies aged 5 to 20 weeks’ gestation, the incidence ranges from 11 to 22 percent and is higher in earlier weeks (Ammon Avalos, 2012). To evaluate rates starting at conception, Wilcox and colleagues (1988) studied 221 healthy women trying to conceive through 707 menstrual cycles and found a miscarriage rate of 31 percent. This study found that two thirds of these losses are early and clinically silent. Currently, certain factors are known to influence clinically apparent miscarriage. However, it is unknown if these same factors also affect clinically silent pregnancy loss.


So from what you linked, I think the rates are in line with earlier studies, and anecdotally, the rates are likely closer to 50% (quoting my wife here).

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Unless I read this wrong, if a woman got the vaccine in the first part of her pregnancy then she had a very high rate of miscarriage, where as, if they received the vaccine at the end then an extremely low rate of losing baby. Yet the vaccine was recommended for all pregnant women.


Women, in general, have a high rate of miscarriage in the 1st trimester regardless. There is nothing in the data you presented that actually suggests what you think.
Posted by STEVED00
Member since May 2007
23211 posts
Posted on 8/18/26 at 11:33 am to
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Also, this specific instance for Fauci which is the premise of the thread is based on a lie


There were concerns about vaccine and pregnancy by medical community and the latest round of hearings confirm that. There is no lie.

I also thought this was funny from the study you linked

quote:

Importance Data about the safety of vaccines against SARS-CoV-2 during pregnancy are limited.


Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
112573 posts
Posted on 8/18/26 at 11:37 am to
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There were concerns about vaccine and pregnancy by medical community and the latest round of hearings confirm that. There is no lie.
There were theoretical possibilities in a text message. The next message he sent was saying the data is not showing any risk that support the theoretical possibilities

The recent news cycle was 100% a lie pushed by Rand Paul and other prominent republicans. It was very unfortunate
This post was edited on 8/18/26 at 11:38 am
Posted by STEVED00
Member since May 2007
23211 posts
Posted on 8/18/26 at 11:46 am to
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Fourth, there were few individuals who were vaccinated in the first trimester among individuals who completed pregnancies in the study period. Because Norway and Sweden do not recommend vaccination during the first trimester except for particular high-risk groups, those exposed to vaccination during the first trimester are likely to constitute a highly selected group. Thus, it was not possible to provide any evidence regarding adverse events associated with vaccination during the first trimester. Most individuals in the cohort were vaccinated during the third trimester, which may have limited the assessment of fetal growth restriction.


Also from the link you posted. Norway and Sweden did not recommend 1st trimester vaccination unless extremely high risk. Interesting since they are safe and effective.
Posted by Salmon
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Member since Feb 2008
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Posted on 8/18/26 at 11:47 am to
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I think that was an extremely misleading stat to put in the results section of a report.


None of it was misleading. The title literally told you it was "preliminary analysis". They gave you the date range. They gave the total women participating. They gave you the total number of completed pregnancies within the timeframe.

All the information was available in the analysis.

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I am also digging into the the first full data set now and I will say I’m curious why 20 wk gestation or halfway point was utilized and not the normal trimester approach with the 1st trimester (<13wks) clearly being where the vast majority of miscarriages occur.


You don't "dig" very well. The 20 week cut off was the follow up period, not the 1st trimester defintion.

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A total of 96 of 104 spontaneous abortions (92.3%) occurred before 13 weeks of gestation. No denominator was available to calculate a risk estimate for spontaneous abortions, because at the time of this report, follow-up through 20 weeks was not yet available for 905 of the 1224 participants vaccinated within 30 days before the first day of the last menstrual period or in the first trimester. Furthermore, any risk estimate would need to account for gestational week–specific risk of spontaneous abortion.
Posted by STEVED00
Member since May 2007
23211 posts
Posted on 8/18/26 at 11:54 am to
Recommendations were made on the preliminary analysis.

Hell the study that pride posted clearly said that 1st trimester vaccination was NOT recommended in the area where the survey was conducted.
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
112573 posts
Posted on 8/18/26 at 11:57 am to
Oh you want just 1st trimester results? Ok

quote:

JAMA Network Open — 2025: “First-Trimester mRNA COVID-19 Vaccination and Risk of Major Congenital Anomalies”

This is a nationwide French cohort of 527,564 live-born infants, including 130,338 (24.7%) whose mothers received an mRNA COVID-19 vaccine during the first trimester.

LINK


And again

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246,259 pregnant women total
* 83,475 (33.9%) received a first COVID vaccine at some point in the study period.
* 43,981 were classified as “recently vaccinated”—vaccinated from 28 days before conception through 120 days after conception.
* Their median gestational age at vaccination was 6 weeks (IQR 0–12 weeks).



Can’t wait to see the goalpost move, AGAIN

LINK
This post was edited on 8/18/26 at 11:59 am
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
112573 posts
Posted on 8/18/26 at 11:58 am to
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Recommendations were made on the preliminary analysis.
Another lie

EUA status was not pulled for pregnant women until studies concluded
Posted by LSUA 75
Colfax,La.
Member since Jan 2019
5119 posts
Posted on 8/18/26 at 11:59 am to
lsupride87 has an Anthony Fauci bobble head he jerks off to daily.
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
112573 posts
Posted on 8/18/26 at 12:00 pm to
And yet another lie

I hate Fauci, and I hated him before hating him was cool
Posted by Ingeniero
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2013
23583 posts
Posted on 8/18/26 at 12:01 pm to
Even in that second Norway & Sweden study you posted, about 33% were vaccinated in the first trimester. Even ignoring the fact that "not recommended" isn't the same as "is dangerous for," there's plenty of data that shows there are no problems with it.
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
112573 posts
Posted on 8/18/26 at 12:03 pm to
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Even in that second Norway & Sweden study you posted, about 33% were vaccinated in the first trimester.
Dont tell Steve
Posted by STEVED00
Member since May 2007
23211 posts
Posted on 8/18/26 at 12:04 pm to
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Objective To evaluate the association between first-trimester exposure to mRNA COVID-19 vaccines and the risk of major congenital malformations (MCMs), across 75 individual MCMs grouped by 13 organ systems.


MCMs are in children actually born, correct? This doesn’t seem like it has anything to do with miscarriages but I’m still reading it.
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